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Wow - this thread goes all the way back to 2012 on the same page.  Come on GMORA peeps - racing is still fun!

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Going anywhere fun Soggy?? Someplace we can all be envious of?

 

A good friend of mine semi retired in his 40's (yep I'm jelious). His part time job is at a country club in the Atlanta area, so he can play for free. He just happens to be marshalling the 17th hole PGA World Championship at East Lake. So I'm going down for a visit to watch and play a little golf and drink a few beers. I think he lined me up the job of marshalling the 19th hole. Basically I just want to get out of Dodge for a week. Not a real sexy vacation, but I know I'll have fun.

 

Hopefully closing on a house when I get back, so I'll be free and settled by the end of this year! :D

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guys -

Wednesday night:

gmora meeting tomorrow at 1800 at pyc

be there or STFU about rating breaks.

 

thurday night:

Big dog party : "a baby ate my dingo" evening featuring the cool stylistics of the jass fusion group "Baby Deano" at Davids on Monument Square at 1800

 

Friday: Friday 50 cent draft bud lights in honor of SS at Backstones.

 

Saturday or Sunday:

 

"freeze my naughty parts till they drop off regatta" aboard the good ship BDP. 1030 at freeport town dock.

 

Your ship's social director

Kitty in Drag

 

Who's in?

Kitty's in.

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guys -

Wednesday night:

gmora meeting tomorrow at 1800 at pyc

be there or STFU about rating breaks.

 

thurday night:

Big dog party : "a baby ate my dingo" evening featuring the cool stylistics of the jass fusion group "Baby Deano" at Davids on Monument Square at 1800

 

Friday: Friday 50 cent draft bud lights in honor of SS at Backstones.

 

Saturday or Sunday:

 

"freeze my naughty parts till they drop off regatta" aboard the good ship BDP. 1030 at freeport town dock.

 

Your ship's social director

Kitty in Drag

 

Who's in?

Kitty's in.

 

Sounds like fun to me.

WTF we'll just pretend it's summer.

What's a dingo?

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Sailbad, a dingo is an austrailan wild dog..not quite sure how much cat nip kitty had been into when he made that quote..It's an old Seinfeld quote..."the dingo ate my baby!", but who knows how kittys mind works, maybe he meant to get it ass backwards. Anyway, thursday night at Davids sounds great, and I'll be there

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Friday: Friday 50 cent draft bud lights in honor of SS at Backstones.

Who's in?

Kitty's in.

 

Surely you don't mean Blackstones?

 

Come for the men!

Come for the beer!

Come for the pool!

But just come!

 

With the leather festish nights?

 

The place gives new meaning to the term "harbor master!"

 

kitty's in? Who'd have thunk it?!

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Sailbad, a dingo is an austrailan wild dog..not quite sure how much cat nip kitty had been into when he made that quote..It's an old Seinfeld quote..."the dingo ate my baby!", but who knows how kittys mind works, maybe he meant to get it ass backwards. Anyway, thursday night at Davids sounds great, and I'll be there

 

Ah Peeker, I should have known if anybody would know what a dingo is it would be you.

Thanks.

See you all Thursday.

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Surely you don't mean Blackstones?

 

Come for the men!

Come for the beer!

Come for the pool!

But just come!

 

With the leather festish nights?

 

The place gives new meaning to the term "harbor master!"

 

kitty's in? Who'd have thunk it?!

 

Just trying to be supportive of SS and his lifestyle.

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Just trying to be supportive of SS and his lifestyle.

 

Here's a great story about Bruce Schawb and Ocean Planet from the front page of the Maine Sunday Telegram, in case you missed it.

 

GLOBAL AMBITIONS START IN MAINE

Bruce Schwab wants to sail in the Vendee Globe again, on a high-tech yacht that could aid Maine's boat-building industry.

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/sta...1112schwab.html

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Some sailors you may know ran into trouble;

If you don't know Brian Lewis. He is one of the most friendly upfront people you can meet. He also was the driving force on the Nova Scotia side in bringing us the Yarmouth Cup, many at least know him from the Yarmouth Cup events and awards. Attached is a link to a heroing story. Everyone is ok as far as I hear. I am thankful that they are, Brian and his wife are great people.

 

"Four Nova Scotians who were pulled up the side of a 230-metre bulk carrier Thursday from the deck of a floundering sailboat in waves as high as a three-storey building are "doing very well," says one of the men who was rescued. "

 

rest of the story here

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Wow:

 

"Huge seas knocked out every window on the boat, flooding the engine compartment and causing the vessel to begin sinking.

 

"She came over 90 degrees and put the mast in the water twice.

 

"We just rolled over in a big wave," Mr. Lewis said.

 

As the sailors were being tossed about, Mr. Lewis’s wife broke her left arm.

 

"The boat lay on its side. She (Sheila) was thrown across the cabin and smashed into some cupboards on the other side, so we had to get her out of the boat and secure her down tight," Mr. Lewis said.

 

"Another wave came in and took out the windows in the boat, so we were slowly sinking.

 

"We called for rescue and luckily the Anthemis was very, very close to us."

 

A Canadian Forces Hercules aircraft from CFB Greenwood was soon on location and circled the stricken sailboat for several hours.

 

"They would take low passes over us and try to drop us equipment but . . . the wind was too high to actively drop gear to us," Mr. Lewis said.

 

"This cargo ship was sitting alongside of us as a wind break. It was pretty harrowing for a while.

 

"The small boats they put over the side were damaged against the ship because the waves were so big and finally . . . the ship made another pass by us and threw ropes to us.

 

"We tied everybody up and they pulled (us) up the side of the ship. So that’s how we all got off," said Mr. Lewis.

 

"The captain of this ship, Capt. Kurash; he’s phenomenal," said Mr. Lewis.

 

"He took five passes before we could get in just the right position to get the ropes to us.

 

"When we lost our mast we didn’t have any manoeuvrability at all, so he had to work over to us," Mr. Lewis continued.

 

"And the air force, they stayed above us all the time," he added.

 

In fact, special rescue suits were dropped from the Hercules to the deck of the Anthemis.

 

"The Hercules dropped them onto the ship and then when we came by the freighter on one pass they threw them down to us.

 

"Some of the waves . . . lifted us up and we could have nearly stepped off onto the ship," Mr. Lewis said."They finally lifted us up on the ship here. It was quite incredible."

 

Mr. Lewis said he’s quite sure the Rochelle is gone.

 

"We didn’t actually see the boat go down but . . . we don’t believe it’s still up. We haven’t had confirmation of that."

 

’They (Hercules crew) would . . . try to drop us equipment but . . . the wind was too high to actively drop gear to us.’

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ditto Dirt Dog...

Brian and his wife are great people.

Too bad they got banged up, but It's great they are safe.

 

Was Pappa Smirf out there at that time with Dodge Morgan??

Wasn't Don Logan out there in the big Bermudian Alden?

 

 

Fortunately, they were able to see that the storm was developoing and postponed the trip. To my knowledge, they still haven't left

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For those following Kip Stone's progress in Route du Rhum, he finished this morning, first place in his class, about 170+ miles ahead of the second-place boat! Nice job Kip!

 

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20061016132716ywnews.html

 

Am I the only one who can't seem to get into the official site? Been having problems getting in from work.

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Am I the only one who can't seem to get into the official site? Been having problems getting in from work.

 

must be, ms koch....

 

both engrish and frenchie versions are working fine 4 me....

 

/c

 

edit: congrats kip!!

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Great win for Kip!! Especially given the trouble with the jib.

 

Furling jib issues in both the 5-O and the RDR are worth taking note of. Obviously very meticulous inspection needs to be given to the torque stays, and perhaps the choices of materials and sizes reassessed when/if replacing them.

 

For the Vendee, on OP we switched to Vectran (from PBO) for the load bearing fibers on the torque stays so that they would be bigger diameter (Vectran isn't as strong) and thus better resist twisting. More stretch tho.

 

We should have an SA party for Kip when he gets back?

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For those following Kip Stone's progress in Route du Rhum, he finished this morning, first place in his class, about 170+ miles ahead of the second-place boat! Nice job Kip!

 

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20061016132716ywnews.html

 

Am I the only one who can't seem to get into the official site? Been having problems getting in from work.

 

Congratulations Kip and your entire on-shore team! :D

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Please make note the following on your social calender. December 15th, a friday night I would like to have a christmas party at my house. A dessert and drinks kind of evening, starting at 7:00 or so. If you would like to bring something to share that would be nice, and beverages of your choice. Just a pleasant evening to celebrate the christmas season with good friends. For those who don't know where I live, e-mail me personally and I will give you my address and phone number. ( I don't need my phone number plastered all over the internet) Any one have a good recepe for rum and eggnog? Please also contact your crewmates because so many of them don't check this website, or let me know their e-mail address's and I will. thanks, and I do hope you will all try to make it.

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Great win for Kip!! Especially given the trouble with the jib.

 

Furling jib issues in both the 5-O and the RDR are worth taking note of. Obviously very meticulous inspection needs to be given to the torque stays, and perhaps the choices of materials and sizes reassessed when/if replacing them.

 

For the Vendee, on OP we switched to Vectran (from PBO) for the load bearing fibers on the torque stays so that they would be bigger diameter (Vectran isn't as strong) and thus better resist twisting. More stretch tho.

 

We should have an SA party for Kip when he gets back?

 

Word!

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Please make note the following on your social calender. December 15th, a friday night I would like to have a christmas party at my house. A dessert and drinks kind of evening, starting at 7:00 or so. If you would like to bring something to share that would be nice, and beverages of your choice. Just a pleasant evening to celebrate the christmas season with good friends. For those who don't know where I live, e-mail me personally and I will give you my address and phone number. ( I don't need my phone number plastered all over the internet) Any one have a good recepe for rum and eggnog? Please also contact your crewmates because so many of them don't check this website, or let me know their e-mail address's and I will. thanks, and I do hope you will all try to make it.

 

Hey Peeker, what a nice thing to do! I know it will be a great party judging from the last one I attended.

I know a great recepe for eggnog. Simple and delicious and only a few calories. Smile. I'll bring it.

What i'd really like to find is a recepe for fish house punch.

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Great win for Kip!! Especially given the trouble with the jib.

 

Furling jib issues in both the 5-O and the RDR are worth taking note of. Obviously very meticulous inspection needs to be given to the torque stays, and perhaps the choices of materials and sizes reassessed when/if replacing them.

 

For the Vendee, on OP we switched to Vectran (from PBO) for the load bearing fibers on the torque stays so that they would be bigger diameter (Vectran isn't as strong) and thus better resist twisting. More stretch tho.

 

We should have an SA party for Kip when he gets back?

 

"Victory for Artforms

Stone first in class and sets record in historic Route du Rhum - La Banque Postale

 

November 16, 2006. Pointe à Pitre, Guadeloupe. American sailor Kip Stone crossed the Route du Rhum finish line off Point à Pitre, Guadeloupe, to win the Class 2 monohull division at 10:38 GMT today (5:38 EDT). The 3,500 mile solo transatlantic race started October 29 in St. Malo, France. Stone also set a new class record of 17 days, 22 hours, and 36 minutes, beating Australian Nick Moloney’s 2002 record by approximately 18 hours.

 

Stone, of Freeport, Maine, is the first American to win a class in the celebrated Route du Rhum, which has been held every four years since 1978. Stone joins Americans Phil Weld, Walter Green, and Steve Fossett in completing the race.

 

“This is a very demanding race from all perspectives," said Stone upon arrival in Point à Pitre. "It’s a fabulous race and I’m really very happy. We ran into all kinds of conditions - wind from zero to 40 knots; a very hot sun, lots of rain, winds from every direction. I don't think I saw the sun at all the first week out.”

 

Stone had his share of mishaps along the 3,500 mile route. A sudden front moved through on day 10 and shredded one of his headsails. To secure the flapping sail, he used a knot known as the Prusik to ascend the rig in 20 knots of wind. On another day, he was smacked in the back of the head by a flying fish.

 

Over 70 sailors in eight classes competed in this year’s event. Servane Escoffier, the 25-year-old French sailor, came close to overtaking Stone in the second half of the race. “It took me a while to maneuver so that I was able to cover her. It was a tight race," said Stone.

 

Stone's win in the Route du Rhum adds to an impressive solo sailing resume. He won the Open 50 class in the 2004 Transat from Plymouth, England to Boston, Mass, and set a new course record. Stone and designer Merfyn Owen partnered in 2005 to win the Bermuda 1-2 and placed second in the double-handed France to Brazil race, the Transat Jacques Vabre.

 

Artforms, a fifty-foot carbon-fiber ocean racing vessel, known as an Open 50, was designed by Owen Clarke Design, built by McConaghy Boats, and launched in Sydney, Australia in 2003. Stone sailed Artforms halfway around the world to Plymouth, England, to compete in his first solo transatlantic, the 2004 Transat.

 

Stone is the 45-year-old owner of Artforms, a screen printing company in Westbrook, Maine, and the Cool as a Moose retail stores in Freeport and Portland, Maine. He graduated from Middlebury College in 1987.

 

For the Route du Rhum, Stone teamed up with L'Ecole Française du Maine, a French immersion school in Freeport, Maine. Third graders at the school are learning math, science, geography, and more as they follow Kip and Artforms. "

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What's up with the GMORA forum board?

http://www.gmora.org/forum/default.asp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has become SPAM CENTRAL for the likes of porn links to Brittany Spear's Tits... (Not that there is anything wrong with that)

 

None the less, the forum has been compromised by the blight of spam.

 

Will the adim. please step up and fix it?

 

 

 

From the forum:

 

"Hello GMORA Members,

The Administrator of your board is responsible for removing bogus posts and moderating users. This spam has occurred because the user moderation feature has been disabled. The Admin should reconfigure user moderatin in the forum settings. We cannot adminstrate the forum features as the Admin password is encrytped.

 

We were able to remove all the spam posts directly from the database, this will happen until user moderation is reconfigured.

 

Thank You,"

 

 

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What's up with the GMORA forum board?

It has become SPAM CENTRAL for the likes of porn links to Brittany Spear's Tit.s... ( Not that there is anything wrong with that)

 

None the less the forum has been compromised by the blight of spam. Will the adim. please step up and fix it?

From the forum:

 

"Hello GMORA Members,

The Administrator of your board is responsible for removing bogus posts and moderating users. This spam has occurred because the user moderation feature has been disabled. The Admin should reconfigure user moderatin in the forum settings. We cannot adminstrate the forum features as the Admin password is encrytped.

 

We were able to remove all the spam posts directly from the database, this will happen until user moderation is reconfigured.

 

Thank You,"

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( I love this product!)

 

Geeze, maxluff, you wait until all the spam is deleted THEN complain about it? Okay, there might have been one new spam last night, but that is gone now so the place is spam free... for the moment.

 

We can't expect the host, who donates the service, to baby sit the board.

 

The Administrator(s) have real jobs and real lives, so we can't monitor the board 24x7. I'll admit it got sloppy lately -- it had been real quiet for weeks, people weren't checking it much, and spammers swarmed in like black flies in May. Sorry about that.

 

But now that we've been kicked in the ass, we'll try to do a better job keeping it in check. I'd personally prefer not to change to a "you can't post until admins have approved you" set-up -- that seems a bit unwelcoming and might deter legit participation. That, and I haven't figured out how to reconfigure it! :) I'm new at this so I'd appreciate your patience as I move along the learning curve.

 

Now that two of us have admin access, we might be able to keep a better handle on it. If the spam continues to be a problem, we can reconfigure as needed.

 

In the meantime, if you see something that looks like spam, please PM me and let me know; I'm happy to go in a delete it.

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Geeze, maxluff, you wait until all the spam is deleted THEN complain about it? Okay, there might have been one new spam last night, but that is gone now so the place is spam free... for the moment.

 

We can't expect the host, who donates the service, to baby sit the board.

 

The Administrator(s) have real jobs and real lives, so we can't monitor the board 24x7. I'll admit it got sloppy lately -- it had been real quiet for weeks, people weren't checking it much, and spammers swarmed in like black flies in May. Sorry about that.

 

But now that we've been kicked in the ass, we'll try to do a better job keeping it in check. I'd personally prefer not to change to a "you can't post until admins have approved you" set-up -- that seems a bit unwelcoming and might deter legit participation. That, and I haven't figured out how to reconfigure it! :) I'm new at this so I'd appreciate your patience as I move along the learning curve.

 

Now that two of us have admin access, we might be able to keep a better handle on it. If the spam continues to be a problem, we can reconfigure as needed.

 

In the meantime, if you see something that looks like spam, please PM me and let me know; I'm happy to go in a delete it.

 

Understand and appreciate your effort! :D

 

As of late just noticed a large increase of SPAM on the forum.

Just wanted to bring this fact to everyone's attention as more Maine oriented sailing talk is done on SA and not in the GMORA forum

 

SPAM: As you know this type of Crap will decrease the likelyhood of people posting on the GMORA forum.

More communication is key to improving sailing in Maine!

 

Thanks and keep up the good work!

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Fall GMORA meeting-

 

I was out of town and unable to attend. Were there any changes concerning sailing next summer?

 

No radical changes as yet. Stay tuned... working on getting an e-mail out to the membership.

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If someone from the board could look into abolishing the hangover, I would be awfully grateful. I think that would be a real improvement and would likely be a SERIOUS draw for the GoM.

 

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Well looks like another year without any change in the rating breaks...

 

"Gulf of Maine Racing News

The local lowdown on sailboat racing in the Gulf of Maine

 

GMORA’s Board of Directors made tentative decisions on several

matters at its Nov. 8 meeting at PYC. Final decisions are scheduled to take

place at the Board’s next meeting after the first of the year.

 

People who wish to provide input should comment by Dec. 16, 2006 in one

of two ways:

 

Discussion forums will be established at www.gmora.org, under Gulf of

Maine Yacht Racing, with separate threads entitled “Class Breaks

2007” and “Scoring 2007.” GMORA members can post comments on the

appropriate thread. We look forward to reading some well thought-out and

civil discourse.

 

 

Class Breaks:

 

After a great deal of discussion, with various parties giving input

either in person at the meeting or by proxy if they could not be present,

the Board tentatively decided to use the class breaks set forth below.

 

Class A: Up to 75

Class B: 76-102

Class C: 103-149

Class D: 150 and up

 

2007 scoring system (Rinderle B and Low Point both proposed)"

 

Again no change...

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Max-

I was at the meeting and the prevailing thought was that if A got split it would be too small. If we had an average of ten boats on the line, and split it in two that would only be five boats- if two didnt show for some reason then how much fun would that be?

 

No one thinks it is perfect the way it is but, how do you fix it with the numbers we have? Personally I think we need a couple more boats in the upper end to make a break worth while.

 

The fact that there was really no dominate boat or group of simular boats that dominated tells me that the racing is good. I know on BDP if we didn't sail perfectly we had no chance to win. Everyoner in the fleet shared in the silver this year.

 

With all of this being said, I think the GMORA board is open to discussion about the breaks; nothing is final yet.

 

I think really what needs to be done is we ( the group) should meet to discuss this and make a recomendation to the board. They have asked for recommendations and no one has really stepped forward to offer any solution of value to this point.

 

Bitching if fine but now is the time to offer real solutions.

Kitty out.

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I was at the meeting and the prevailing thought was that if A got split it would be too small. If we had an average of ten boats on the line, and split it in two that would only be five boats- if two didnt show for some reason then how much fun would that be?

 

No one thinks it is perfect the way it is but, how do you fix it with the numbers we have? Personally I think we need a couple more boats in the upper end to make a break worth while.

 

The fact that there was really no dominate boat or group of simular boats that dominated tells me that the racing is good. I know on BDP if we didn't sail perfectly we had no chance to win. Everyoner in the fleet shared in the silver this year.

 

With all of this being said, I think the GMORA board is open to discussion about the breaks; nothing is final yet.

 

I think really what needs to be done is we ( the group) should meet to discuss this and make a recomendation to the board. They have asked for recommendations and no one has really stepped forward to offer any solution of value to this point.

 

Bitching if fine but now is the time to offer real solutions.

Kitty out.

I see where you are coming from.

I agree with you that now is the time to offer solutions.

Class breaks should be established in order to accomondate future trends.

I have felt this regardless of racing with a rating of 54, 45 and now 0

(For now one can have class A1 and A2 have the same start and course)

 

 

We should ALL get together prior to the January meeting to discuss this matter!

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The same start senario sucks- we had to do this in Marblehead PHRF-NEs this year.

It's total downside with no upside. If I'm going to race against people then score me against them.

 

I don't think this is about legislating for future trends. Face it, with the exception of the last two years the fleet has been static. Is a different class break going to encourage growth at the top of A? Maybe.

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The same start senario sucks- we had to do this in Marblehead PHRF-NEs this year.

It's total downside with no upside. If I'm going to race against people then score me against them.

 

I don't think this is about legislating for future trends. Face it, with the exception of the last two years the fleet has been static. Is a different class break going to encourage growth at the top of A? Maybe.

 

I feel that will help encourage growth and set a break that will hold true to future trends.

 

I am proposing this for no personal benefit.

As I have stated before, I have felt the same way about this matter regardless of the rating of the boat that I have sailed on.

 

Besides it is 'fun to shake the trees' every once and a while!

 

Just my two cents.

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I feel that will help encourage growth and set a break that will hold true to future trends.

 

I am proposing this for no personal benefit.

As I have stated before, I have felt the same way about this matter regardless of the rating of the boat that I have sailed on.

 

Besides it is 'fun to shake the trees' every once and a while!

 

Just my two cents.

 

Maxx,

Don't get me wrong I am not implying that you are bringing this issue forward for personal gain. I am trying to understand what your proposed solution is and at the same time trying to make sure we all think about the ramifications of any move we make.

 

I think the racing here in the bay is very tight and fun. We need to sail very well to do well. Almost eveyone in A won a race or two this year. Do I like the fact that Papa Smirf or smithwick can finish way back and still win? no- but you know what both those guys are frickin great sailors. Its a good day for us when we best them. I would miss that if I was racing against three or four boats.

 

We should get together to discuss this.

 

xoxo,

Kitty

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kitty, i think your previous post summed it up nicely.

 

it seems to me that GMORA has offered meetings, put this first on the agenda at said meetings, and really tried to accomodate or determine if the need (or at least the desire) was actually there.

 

now, i'm not saying that i enjoy not being able to shake a j35 or a frers41 on a long close reach when we can't carry a chute and expect a 100% jib to keep up with a genny and extra waterline. that kind of blows. but i don't want to match race with one or two other boats either. and the point is to get as many people up here racing, right?

 

so, in summary, i think the need is there on paper. the spread sucks. but, until the desire is there by a majority, GMORA shouldn't be under the gun to just up and change it by themselves.

 

(and that smithwick cat sucks :lol::lol: )

 

/c

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Come on Girls, what do others think about this?

Let's not be passive agressive!

Soggy?

Dirty Dog

Doggone

CKock

 

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one- Let's hear them...

 

Ok - My 2 cents I like racing in a big fleet. Is the 81 second spread in class A ideal...no, but I'm right in the middle of the split so it probably has the least effect on me. If the people at both extremes of the break are not complaining....I'm OK. Spliting the class in A1 or A2 could be tough at the start. It could cause some road rage fighting for a clear lane with a boat not in your "class".

 

My personal preference? I'd like to see 3 ratings on the PHRF Cert like in other areas of the country; Cruising, Racing W/L, and Racing with Reaching Legs. I get killed on waterline with a rating of 42 when reaching against boats with longer waterline and masthead chutes. The J35's have me with the bigger chute and every other boat in the fleet has me on waterline. It does not matter if I sail a perfect race or not, just a fact of life...longer waterline bigger chute on a reach = more speed no matter what you rate. The only chance I have is if it's blowing over 25 and I can plane (how often does that happen). But this is a personal agenda and may not be good for the GMORA fleet in general.

 

 

Tree Hugger - You've been in this game for a while, what's your take?

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At some point in time the rating spread will need to change, this is kind of obvious. The question is of course when and how.

 

1)

I feel the most productive way to make the change is to announce a future date when the spread will be modified. If GMORA announces that the recommendation for class spreads will be modified for X season (2008 or 2009) prior to the 2007 season. This way everyone knows it is coming and will motivate skippers to plan a change if they want to stay in or move to a different class. If a change is going to happen it seems like the best approach.

 

2)

Big events such as Monhegan (or PHRF Maine) that GMORA and PYC actively promote the race outside of Maine is an interesting problem, if we try and fit the current class spreads. For these events we want boats to make the trip to Maine. I know this is a PYC call but the Monhegan event should have classes based on entries, much like Block Island or PHRF NE. Score the event with the spread built for that event based on entries and then rescore the times ect. to determine the results for GMORA using the GMORA spread for GMORA scoring.

 

3)

Sub class; Is it possible to have two sub classes in A. Just an Idea so feel free to flame me on it. High displacement (HD) and Low displacement (LD)- not have it effect GMORA results or over all class results but post results for each and give out a Goofy prize for 1st in each at the event. or teams drawn at the beginning of each event one from each HD and LD combined score fromthe regatta and that team wins

3a) -kind of of subject but

Teams from A and C and Teams from B and D drawn before each regatta. get A boats and C boats interacting before and after the race same with B and D boats.

 

I would love to see a tighter rating spread in class A because it is pushing 80 sec per mile, but it is a tough call when you look at all the issues.

 

ok I have to get back to work now.

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Come on Girls, what do others think about this?

Let's not be passive agressive!

Soggy?

Dirty Dog

Doggone

CKock

 

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one- Let's hear them...

 

Kitty, I feel a little out of place pushing my thoughts on a class in which I rarely, if ever, participate. I "race" a 1970s vintage POS :P in cruising class -- who am I to tell the Class A rock stars where their class break should be?

 

As the messenger in all this, my top priority is to raise awareness about GMORA in general (be it class breaks, scoring, schedules, or whatever) and try to get more boats on the line and people at the party, regardless of what class they race in.

 

I say get the skippers of all 10 to 12 consistent Class A participants to weigh in on this -- not just the ones who post here, but all of them. Based on the opinions provided, come to a consensus and bring it to the Board. If you can't reach a consensus (possible since there seems to be at least one participant who refuses to give an inch), then come back with majority and minority opinions and bring both back to the Board. I think I'm safe in saying that the Board just wants to do what's best for its membership, and despite some assertions to the contrary, its members are indeed interested in hearing input.

 

Once a decision is made, get out there, race, drink at the party, have fun, and quit bitching about class breaks on internet bulletin boards. :)

 

As to maxluff's 38 Class A boats... I seriously doubt that class breaks are what's keeping the 20+ non-regulars away; geography and other issues float to the top in my mind. We've got a core group of 10-12 that we ought to be serving as best as we can.

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To Dirt Dogs comments about the Monhegan:

Kitty thinks," sometimes we get so wraped up in the season tropies we dont do the right thing sourounding racing. Wouldn't it be better for the Monhegan and racing up here to throw the breaks to the wind if we had a huge 0-22 fleet from all over new england??"

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Hey on a more festive note Have a Happy T-Day everyone.

 

After this week is anybody up for going out? I know that we've discussed the kart thing before...if we don't have enough to rent out the complex for the night why don't those that are interested just show up and grab a car some night? There shouldn't be any rating issues as I believe that we'll be racing one design. :D

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To Dirt Dogs comments about the Monhegan:

Kitty thinks," sometimes we get so wraped up in the season tropies we dont do the right thing sourounding racing. Wouldn't it be better for the Monhegan and racing up here to throw the breaks to the wind if we had a huge 0-22 fleet from all over new england??"

 

The guys from MH are too wimpy to come up to do an overnighter. They know they'd get their ass kicked if they raced outside their home waters. (Popcorn time).

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I say get the skippers of all 10 to 12 consistent Class A participants to weigh in on this -- not just the ones who post here, but all of them.

 

We may not have all twelve skippers posting here, but I bet we have reps from all the core boats and I bet all of the skippers are aware nearly instantly of anything said here... That said, I agree that this is not the place to have an "official" conversation. There are reasonable people that don't post here...

 

G

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2)

Big events such as Monhegan (or PHRF Maine) that GMORA and PYC actively promote the race outside of Maine is an interesting problem, if we try and fit the current class spreads. For these events we want boats to make the trip to Maine. I know this is a PYC call but the Monhegan event should have classes based on entries, much like Block Island or PHRF NE. Score the event with the spread built for that event based on entries and then rescore the times ect. to determine the results for GMORA using the GMORA spread for GMORA scoring.

 

3)

Sub class; Is it possible to have two sub classes in A. Just an Idea so feel free to flame me on it. High displacement (HD) and Low displacement (LD)- not have it effect GMORA results or over all class results but post results for each and give out a Goofy prize for 1st in each at the event. or teams drawn at the beginning of each event one from each HD and LD combined score fromthe regatta and that team wins

 

2) VERY cool idea.

 

3) GMORA scoring is already something like doing calculus while rancidly drunk. I'm not sure the scorer would like to add another layer of complexity...

 

G

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We may not have all twelve skippers posting here, but I bet we have reps from all the core boats and I bet all of the skippers are aware nearly instantly of anything said here... That said, I agree that this is not the place to have an "official" conversation. There are reasonable people that don't post here...

 

G

 

Very true, G. Every skipper in the fleet for whom we have a valid e-mail addy got the communication, which had explicit instructions on how to submit comments. If they can follow simple instructions, their voices will be heard. GMORA's president has also e-mailed the Class A fleet captain asking him to contact the other skippers and urge them to make their thoughts known.

 

IOW, every effort is being made to get all the affected skippers to express their opinion on this, short of beating it out of them ;)

 

The official channels are either the appropriate forum on www.gmora.org or in an e-mail to the president (which you can do from www.gmora.org).

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one thing that always seems left out of the rating split spout is class B - why is it always splitting A into two classes and not an effort to get a reasonable size class B. Class A has a big spread and a good number of boats, but is it at the expence of B?

 

seems more boats in that rating spread may want to get out and race if class B was a little bit bigger.

 

along with the rating spread GMORA should try and promote W/L courses since anything else just amplifies the faults of a wide rating spread.

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2) VERY cool idea.

 

3) GMORA scoring is already something like doing calculus while rancidly drunk. I'm not sure the scorer would like to add another layer of complexity...

 

G

Good point, but GMORA should take a look at team racing across different classes -maybe grouping a couple of Portland local race events together. It is fun in an unofficial kind of way and will promote good communication in the fleet.

 

a sub class and unofficial results maybe a good first step ---if the step is ever made to changing the class breaks.

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one thing that always seems left out of the rating split spout is class B - why is it always splitting A into two classes and not an effort to get a reasonable size class B. Class A has a big spread and a good number of boats, but is it at the expence of B?

 

seems more boats in that rating spread may want to get out and race if class B was a little bit bigger.

 

along with the rating spread GMORA should try and promote W/L courses since anything else just amplifies the faults of a wide rating spread.

 

Didn't this all start with an effort to banish the J?35s to B

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Didn't this all start with an effort to banish the J?35s to B

 

There's a certian J35 with a new mail sail that could kick everyone's ass next year. Damm he was fast with that new sail this fall. Could you imagine a J35 beating a Dobroth 42 boat for boat....Big daddy would not be a happy camper at all. :P If that happened I predict a TP 52 in the fleet for 2008.

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Soggy writes:"My personal preference? I'd like to see 3 ratings on the PHRF Cert like in other areas of the country; Cruising, Racing W/L, and Racing with Reaching Legs." and another for long distance.

 

now we are talking...this makes sense.

This is done in Dago by the way.

 

I certainly agree in the San Diego PHRF rating system. It works well for them. The ability to differenciate between W/L and reachy around the Island Races would make racing more competitive and more exciting.

 

Is it not great that this rating discusion is taking place now?

Let's hear more from some of the other class A participants!

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along with the rating spread GMORA should try and promote W/L courses since anything else just amplifies the faults of a wide rating spread.

see, here is where the slippery slope starts....

 

while i personally 100% agree with you, there are many boats out there that feel that it is only when they get longer legs (especially if they are reaching legs) that they 'stand a chance'.... there are several boats in 'A' (the only reason i only use that c koch, that is the class i am most familiar with :P ) that i imagine 10, 15, 20 tacks on an upwind leg would be ungodly slow and (on at least one boat) dangerous :lol: .... and our goal still is to get more people out sailing, right? i am afraid that some 'point to point' or not perfect w/l races might be a necessary evil to continue the relatively good numbers we have seen racing over the past several years....

 

/c

 

(goddamnit, i can't belive i just stuck up for non W/L!!!!!!!! i need a drink)

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I certainly agree in the San Diego PHRF rating system. It works well for them. The ability to differenciate between W/L and reachy around the Island Races would make racing more competitive and more exciting. Is it not great that this rating discusion is taking place now.

Let's hear more from some of the other class A participants!

 

 

we may have heard from them all but Treehugger...

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There's a certian J35 with a new mail sail that could kick everyone's ass next year. Damm he was fast with that new sail this fall. Could you imagine a J35 beating a Dobroth 42 boat for boat....Big daddy would not be a happy camper at all. :P If that happened I predict a TP 52 in the fleet for 2008.

 

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, soggy quiet!!!

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I certainly agree in the San Diego PHRF rating system. It works well for them. The ability to differenciate between W/L and reachy around the Island Races would make racing more competitive and more exciting. Is it not great that this rating discusion is taking place now.

Let's hear more from some of the other class A participants!

 

 

San Diego style? Ohhhhhh, that puts the Melges 24 at PHRF 60 for the middle ground random leg rating level... ouch!

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see, here is where the slippery slope starts....

 

while i personally 100% agree with you, there are many boats out there that feel that it is only when they get longer legs (especially if they are reaching legs) that they 'stand a chance'.... there are several boats in 'A' (the only reason i only use that c koch, that is the class i am most familiar with :P ) that i imagine 10, 15, 20 tacks on an upwind leg would be ungodly slow and (on at least one boat) dangerous :lol: .... and our goal still is to get more people out sailing, right? i am afraid that some 'point to point' or not perfect w/l races might be a necessary evil to continue the relatively good numbers we have seen racing over the past several years....

 

/c

 

(goddamnit, i can't belive i just stuck up for non W/L!!!!!!!! i need a drink)

 

 

I think we need more W/L races on the schedule for next year! Just a thought, a leave the poor 35's alone. They want to stay in the A class!!

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I think we need more W/L races on the schedule for next year! Just a thought, a leave the poor 35's alone. They want to stay in the A class!!

errrr....

 

if anything i was saying the j35's are quite competitive with the newer low raters on certain points of sail.... that was what i meant to get across, anyway...

 

/c

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errrr....

 

if anything i was saying the j35's are quite competitive with the newer low raters on certain points of sail.... that was what i meant to get across, anyway...

 

/c

 

Yes, the discussion is now much larger then"kick the 35s out". That is where this whole thing began two years ago . It was Papa Smirf who started that.

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At some point in time the rating spread will need to change, this is kind of obvious. The question is of course when and how.

 

1)

I feel the most productive way to make the change is to announce a future date when the spread will be modified. If GMORA announces that the recommendation for class spreads will be modified for X season (2008 or 2009) prior to the 2007 season. This way everyone knows it is coming and will motivate skippers to plan a change if they want to stay in or move to a different class. If a change is going to happen it seems like the best approach.

 

2)

Big events such as Monhegan (or PHRF Maine) that GMORA and PYC actively promote the race outside of Maine is an interesting problem, if we try and fit the current class spreads. For these events we want boats to make the trip to Maine. I know this is a PYC call but the Monhegan event should have classes based on entries, much like Block Island or PHRF NE. Score the event with the spread built for that event based on entries and then rescore the times ect. to determine the results for GMORA using the GMORA spread for GMORA scoring.

 

3)

Sub class; Is it possible to have two sub classes in A. Just an Idea so feel free to flame me on it. High displacement (HD) and Low displacement (LD)- not have it effect GMORA results or over all class results but post results for each and give out a Goofy prize for 1st in each at the event. or teams drawn at the beginning of each event one from each HD and LD combined score fromthe regatta and that team wins

3a) -kind of of subject but

Teams from A and C and Teams from B and D drawn before each regatta. get A boats and C boats interacting before and after the race same with B and D boats.

 

I would love to see a tighter rating spread in class A because it is pushing 80 sec per mile, but it is a tough call when you look at all the issues.

 

ok I have to get back to work now.

 

1. I like this A LOT. Class A skippers get together and have a discussion with this as the desired outcome and I think it will happen. I'm against changing the breaks by trying to predict the future but if we make the announcement far enough in advance it might serve more as incentive.

 

 

2. This such a great idea that we already do it! Regattas already make their breaks where they want and we just use the points each boat gets from racing the boats they raced. We do not rescore the regatta using GMORA breaks.

 

 

3. Knock yourself out. You can score, rescore, team up, arm yourself with water cannons and take prisoners, just don't ask me to score it. Oh, while you're at it, would you score each race both TOD and TOT just so we can see how it works out? Thanks, I appreciate that. :D

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ok, kitty....

 

i'll be the first to admit that my 'wear flip-flops until either thanksgiving or first snow' is coming to an end soon....

 

but...

 

BDP coming out this year or what?!?!?

 

:lol::lol:

 

saw 'falls point' steaming past this morning and was wondering if that's how the rig was being removed.... but, no, seems he just kept going....

 

what gives? still think there are some sailing days left?

 

/c

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ok, kitty....

 

i'll be the first to admit that my 'wear flip-flops until either thanksgiving or first snow' is coming to an end soon....

 

but...

 

BDP coming out this year or what?!?!?

 

:lol::lol:

 

saw 'falls point' steaming past this morning and was wondering if that's how the rig was being removed.... but, no, seems he just kept going....

 

what gives? still think there are some sailing days left?

 

/c

 

Kitty, you planning on sailing the boat to KW? If so let me know.

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I would like to see the classes changed to A 0-64, B 65-99, C 100-140 and D 141-up for this year and possibly changing the break between A-B to 59 next year depending on what new boats join the fleet. I know their would be some opposed to this, but it would break the fleet up more evenly and reduce the rating spread in A.

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I would like to see the classes changed to A 0-64, B 65-99, C 100-140 and D 141-up for this year and possibly changing the break between A-B to 59 next year depending on what new boats join the fleet. I know their would be some opposed to this, but it would break the fleet up more evenly and reduce the rating spread in A.

 

An interesting thought.

 

What do the 'peanut gallery' think?

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I would like to see the classes changed to A 0-64, B 65-99, C 100-140 and D 141-up for this year and possibly changing the break between A-B to 59 next year depending on what new boats join the fleet. I know their would be some opposed to this, but it would break the fleet up more evenly and reduce the rating spread in A.

good proposed class break for A...... but still 68+ sec per mile in range. Likelyhood of something happening in 2007 is still very slim.

IMO class B range should be alittle larger, maybe up to 108 (as stated about the melges) melges 24 is definately a B boat.

 

under these #'s what would A, B, C and D look like?

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Just out of curiosity, how many boats regularly compete in Casco Bay in Class B, C, D, and in JAM-only class (cruising class)? I gather you've got 10 or 12 regulars in Class A... And how does Casco Bay compare to the whole Gulf of Maine?

 

Has anybody asked the Class B boats what they think the break should be between A and B? Presumably the slower boats in Class A don't want to be dropped because they like competing with the "big boys?" But what is the competition in Class B like? I assume you have different starts for the different classes. What if you started the class B boats together with class A?

 

I'm not sure I understand why there's such concern about the rating spread. Is it because a slower boat (Boat Y) might correct out ahead of a faster boat (Boat X), even though they never really see each other on the water? Wouldn't that still be the case irregardless of what class the boats are assigned to? I mean for overall results, wouldn't Boat Y still beat Boat X for the overall race/regatta even if not in class?

 

If I understand correctly, GMORA class breaks really only matter for GMORA trophies -- yacht clubs and regatta organizers, although urged to use the same class breaks as GMORA, are free to do what they want, and thus individual races or regattas could be scored differently. Isn't this the case?

 

I know, a lot of questions from a newbie who's boat might occasionally race (on the mid-coast) in JAM or class C if he ever gets organized...

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