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But if you hoist it and drop it, you can then "Store" it where ever you want...

 

"Quick, Peel to the A1".

Pass it out the hatch from Aft position.

Peel

Pack A2 in the bow.

"Quick Peel to the Zero"

Pass out Zero from aft position

Peel

Pack A1 in the bow

 

The rule of NOT allowing stacking is plain stupid, because you can still legally stack as the wind changes.

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I wasn't saying do it to just stack the sails...

 

I was merely pointing out as the breeze lightens off, builds, changes angle etc you can stack. Every time you change a sail you can put the changed sail in the optimum place.

 

I bet you the "One Design" boat that does that comes out in front.

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I also think the rule is wrong but by stacking, you are deliberately breaking a RRS. Even if you dont like the rule that doesn't mean you can break the rule. What if you don't agree with the port straboard rule do you think you should deliberately break it. Deliberately breaking a RRS may result in a Rule 69 hearing and the outcome of that is all the sailors on the boat may be banned from sailing in any races for spme time

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RRS 51

MOVABLE BALLAST

All movable ballast, including sails that are not set, shall be properly stowed. Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. Floorboards, bulkheads, doors, stairs and water tanks shall be left in place and all cabin fixtures kept on board. However, bilge water may be bailed out.

 

So what RRS is being broken???

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RRS 51

MOVABLE BALLAST

All movable ballast, including sails that are not set, shall be properly stowed. Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. Floorboards, bulkheads, doors, stairs and water tanks shall be left in place and all cabin fixtures kept on board. However, bilge water may be bailed out.

 

So what RRS is being broken???

Quite right. Sails are defined as movable ballast, so they can be moved as often as required, provided they a "stowed properly"

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RRS 51

MOVABLE BALLAST

All movable ballast, including sails that are not set, shall be properly stowed. Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. Floorboards, bulkheads, doors, stairs and water tanks shall be left in place and all cabin fixtures kept on board. However, bilge water may be bailed out.

 

So what RRS is being broken???

Quite right. Sails are defined as movable ballast, so they can be moved as often as required, provided they a "stowed properly"

 

If the unused sails are used to trim the boat, its clearly a breach of RRS51. So, moving as "often as required", even if they are stowed properly every time, is against the rules.

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RRS 51

MOVABLE BALLAST

All movable ballast, including sails that are not set, shall be properly stowed. Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. Floorboards, bulkheads, doors, stairs and water tanks shall be left in place and all cabin fixtures kept on board. However, bilge water may be bailed out.

 

So what RRS is being broken???

Quite right. Sails are defined as movable ballast, so they can be moved as often as required, provided they a "stowed properly"

 

If the unused sails are used to trim the boat, its clearly a breach of RRS51. So, moving as "often as required", even if they are stowed properly every time, is against the rules.

 

That notice only covers RRS 51 as it is applied under IRC. If you don't rate under IRC where is the issue?

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Hardly a "big boat", I know, but given that this thread has in reality become the Melbourne Keel Boat thread I thought I'd ask the question hear:

 

Buzz is 2 x MC 31s allegedly coming to Sandringham in time for next summer season.

 

 

Any truth to this rumour?

 

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Hardly a "big boat", I know, but given that this thread has in reality become the Melbourne Keel Boat thread I thought I'd ask the question hear:

 

Buzz is 2 x MC 31s allegedly coming to Sandringham in time for next summer season.

 

 

Any truth to this rumour?

 

Mex

 

 

 

Yep.

 

From 38 South facebook,

 

"Another MC31 on order destined for SYC and due to arrive in October."

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Lifting keel, removable keel Southern Spars rig,who knows: Until they actually start building and sailing them they are just another vapour-ware boat, many of which have been touted in these pages over the years.

Hopefully this one will gain some traction and actually make it to the water; the concept looks ok for this pond.

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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

Cant go offshore in an M32. MC31 is supposed to be Cat 2 capable AFAIK

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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

Cant go offshore in an M32. MC31 is supposed to be Cat 2 capable AFAIK
That is a good thing and sets it above the M38 which though technicaly able to get cat 2 wont race anywhere offshore.
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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

Sold & afloat are two different things. They might have sold 15.

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225K no sails and no instruments

Is that the advertised price, or what someone has actually paid?
Advertised

 

EDIT: dropped 10k, now advertised for 215k

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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

Sold & afloat are two different things. They might have sold 15.

That is true but had only sold 6. Unless you count enquiries that is. Have they hit 15 yet?

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Having been told a few years ago direct from Maconaghy that 15 MC38's had been sold at a time that it turned out there were 6 afloat. I remain sceptical of any of their claims.

 

A couple of very good M32's for under $100k if you are after a fast 30 footer that dosent rate and has no OD raceing why pay more?

Sold & afloat are two different things. They might have sold 15.
That is true but had only sold 6. Unless you count enquiries that is. Have they hit 15 yet?

Looks like 19.

http://www.mc38association.com/the-fleet.html

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From your link, regarding rescue attempts.

 

So if you run it onto a sandbank to pump it out to save it, maybe make sure all the water is getting off the boat..

How did it end up sinking in a slip?

 

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Bugger, but that boat "Awesome" has a chequered history from memory, I think it was up at Queenscliff because it was involved in another incident a year or so ago?

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Bugger, but that boat "Awesome" has a chequered history from memory, I think it was up at Queenscliff because it was involved in another incident a year or so ago?

You are right about the chequered past.

 

That boat is Keith Williams old boat from Hamilton Island and under went a major refit 2-3 years ago. It used to be a open helm boat.

 

Pulpit

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Something's fishy with this situation. That boat was on the hardstand at Queenscliff for ages being refitted after an earlier sinking. Can you spell Insurance Scam?

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A certain yacht designer and builder based in Altona is building a new hull for a couple of owners of a B44.7 based out of Brighton apparently

 

The new IRC based hull is to be attached to the F40 deck and bulkheads which these owners bought for a bargain apparently. They must be re-using the carbon rig, sails motor etc for the new boat. The old keel and rudder ditched into the garbage bin.

 

Its great to see a local boat builder busy and hope the IRC handicap is kind to this interesting project?

 

A standard F40 are not exactly slow, so the new hull should be fast , especially downwind.

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A certain yacht designer and builder based in Altona is building a new hull for a couple of owners of a B44.7 based out of Brighton apparently

 

The new IRC based hull is to be attached to the F40 deck and bulkheads which these owners bought for a bargain apparently. They must be re-using the carbon rig, sails motor etc for the new boat. The old keel and rudder ditched into the garbage bin.

 

Its great to see a local boat builder busy and hope the IRC handicap is kind to this interesting project?

 

A standard F40 are not exactly slow, so the new hull should be fast , especially downwind.

 

I hope this isn't the F40 from Newcastle.

In the right hands she is still too quick among the F40s to chop up, of course you would need to find some others who still want to play together, (& get rid of the sprit).

 

TUBBY

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Not a rumour A31, Robbie, 2IC in the SYC hierarchy and his boat partner AB, a genial raconteur and besotted recent father of gorgeous twin girls, have just launched their F40 'Nutcracker 11' at SYC after a spruce up at Steve Campbell's Composites Constructions. Should be sailing soon - watch this space. If the program is anything like the previous (X35) Nutcracker, it will be a fun ride.

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DB seems to be missing the front half of her black vinyl wrap.

Could this be a genuine case of the front falling off?

Hope they get it sorted soon so the new Nutcracker 11 can have a sister to play with.

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Apparently the S38 OD fleet are going through an expensive exercise, ie 30K for new mast head kites (OD measurements) and new SPL carbon poles.

 

This change may force a few of the owners to look at selling their boats before taking on this MH kite OD change?

 

I fell sorry for some of the owners who would have already changed to MH kites to find out they do not comply with the new luff, foot and SPA measurements. I guess some of them only need to change their pole STL and possibly modify their kites at the Sail loft.

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Apparently the S38 OD fleet are going through an expensive exercise, ie 30K for new mast head kites (OD measurements) and new SPL carbon poles.

 

This change may force a few of the owners to look at selling their boats before taking on this MH kite OD change?

 

I fell sorry for some of the owners who would have already changed to MH kites to find out they do not comply with the new luff, foot and SPA measurements. I guess some of them only need to change their pole STL and possibly modify their kites at the Sail loft.

How about $13k for two kites, $3.5 for new pole and $1k for mast head halyard, sails are disposable anyway that is not really much additional cost, say extra $1k with discounts being offered by the lofts. S38's have had mast head kites for offshore racing for years, so there are very few boats who race regularly who don't have them, this brings the inshore rules inline so owners don't have to run two sets of sails.This has been foreshadowed for years so everyone hang off on buying hounds kites, so not a burden for many.

 

Don't think it is such a big issue, even those in Sydney who were vehemently opposed have now embraced the change.

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Apparently the S38 OD fleet are going through an expensive exercise, ie 30K for new mast head kites (OD measurements) and new SPL carbon poles.

 

This change may force a few of the owners to look at selling their boats before taking on this MH kite OD change?

 

I fell sorry for some of the owners who would have already changed to MH kites to find out they do not comply with the new luff, foot and SPA measurements. I guess some of them only need to change their pole STL and possibly modify their kites at the Sail loft.

That is all just bullshit.

Not that expensive and I did not sign up the bulk purchase deal which can work out cheaper than my option.

Also everyone has years of notice about the change and lot of boats already had the 5100mm pole and big spin for irc .

The only joke here was the difference in the prices quoted for the new kites.

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Apparently the S38 OD fleet are going through an expensive exercise, ie 30K for new mast head kites (OD measurements) and new SPL carbon poles.

 

This change may force a few of the owners to look at selling their boats before taking on this MH kite OD change?

 

I fell sorry for some of the owners who would have already changed to MH kites to find out they do not comply with the new luff, foot and SPA measurements. I guess some of them only need to change their pole STL and possibly modify their kites at the Sail loft.

How about $13k for two kites, $3.5 for new pole and $1k for mast head halyard, sails are disposable anyway that is not really much additional cost, say extra $1k with discounts being offered by the lofts. S38's have had mast head kites for offshore racing for years, so there are very few boats who race regularly who don't have them, this brings the inshore rules inline so owners don't have to run two sets of sails.This has been foreshadowed for years so everyone hang off on buying hounds kites, so not a burden for many.

 

Don't think it is such a big issue, even those in Sydney who were vehemently opposed have now embraced the change.

 

 

only about 2 38s in melb go offshore so not that relevant

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DC you are irrelevant to the discussion.

The owners association has handled the introduction well.

It was on the agenda for a number of years and it was a surprise to no one.

of course if want to have a say pony up the money and become an owner.

There are two boats for sale near you.

in the meantime the rest of us will just get on with it.

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Twenty boats in an ORCV Winter Series? Never thought I would see the day.

That leaves a shit-load of competitive boats tied up in marinas while the owners and crew do (Insert preferred deity) knows what over the winter..

 

Sad, really sad, to see Melbourne keelboat sailing reduced to this level.

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And on a much more positive note..one of my crew sent me a link of a one minute video on facebook by Sailing Shack.

 

Apparently it was shown at the Yachting Victoria Awards night at SYC.

 

Probably the best advertisement for club sailing I've ever seen.

 

ENJOY.

 

https://www.facebook.com/sailingshack/videos/900999153305545/

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I'm not from Melbourne and I don't own a big boat (depending on your definition of "big", I suppose), but you got my two bobs worth nonetheless.

You question your 'big' boat eligibility, have a look at what can enter 'Big Boat Series' in SF these days

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I'm not from Melbourne and I don't own a big boat (depending on your definition of "big", I suppose), but you got my two bobs worth nonetheless.

You question your 'big' boat eligibility, have a look at what can enter 'Big Boat Series' in SF these days

 

Big is somewhat subjective.

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ORCV Winter Series Day 1 - a small fleet of enthusiasts and bugger all wind. ORCV pulled the pin so its all on again in a couple of weeks. Hope they can rustle up a few more players by then. Cool out there but it still beats mowing lawns :-)

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Never mind, I have just run through it and there are a number of sections in there to comment on

 

Thank you Sir.

 

It comes to me at YA and results get circulated to those people involved in specific projects reviewing the SRs.

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Anybody else think that the race management on Sunday was deplorable?

 

5kts of breeze and not forecast to build....

 

They set a 1.7nm beat with 3 laps for fast boats and 2 laps for less fast boats...

 

That's ok I guess, it means you have an opportunity to shorten course at lots of marks....

 

Nope just allowed the fleet to continue sailing whilst the breeze faded to zero.

 

Both fleets could have been shortened allowing all to get a resultt.

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Have you leaned nothing in your years cabsav????

Race Management is about THE Race Management not the race participants.

Mirrors admission for surgery at a training hospital ..."The procedure was a complete success, unfortunately the patient died".

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Clearly these guys are not running the slipway or their marina correctly.

Run correctly the club would fleece owners to use it and use the profit to support the loss making core activities of the club like yacht racing.

That is how the my local club thrives.

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cranes + trucks = ouch $$$ But not $800K ouch to rebuild the slip.

 

Have to agree with you. $30,000 X 6 yachts = $180,000 to relaunch, which is much less than a minimum $340K to repair the slip or $800K to replace.

The club provided the facility so 6 yachts used it and by no fault of their own are now "landlocked". Club has to foot the bill to relaunch the yachts, then scap the slip and its associated yard fixtures.

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$30k... Drugs.. you are on Drugs.

 

Its $30k to truck a boat from one side of AUS to the other.

 

It would be $10k at the most for each boat to be trucked to the nearest crane launchable Jetty or Sandy etc. And that is including Rig in/Rig out

 

Truck - $250hr

Escort - $250hr

Crane - $250hr

 

If it took more than 20 hours you are doing something wrong.

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I will admit that it has been some years since sailing from Brighton (Great Expectations) or Sandringham (Scavenger)

 

Unless something has been built in the car park, could a crane not lift the cradle and boat over the fence and place on a truck. Strap it all down and drive to Sandy and unload (is there a travel lift there now?).

 

Would the slip rails be the same gauge?

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Whickham, what do you mean loss making yachting activities, you mean loss making activities such as a restaurants, catering facilities and the millions of staff that go along with it.

 

Also +1 MSA. Shouldn't take more than 2 to 3 days to get those boats re launched at Sandy. Each ride should cost about $2000 to $3000 including the lifts.

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Apparently the Squadron has the same issue with their slip way which is also near the end of its life.

 

Royals some how started to build a platform lift for only cleaning the boats and the builder went bankrupt and left the mess! Even though they have a travel lift which is near the end of its life build for the 12m America cup boats.

 

SYC has the best yard facilities in the bay by far for any yacht club with EPA compliant wash-down areas and keel pits!

 

Suggest RBYC and RMYS negotiate some arrangement with Royals or SYC to slip their boats at the clubs member prices, they may have to put some capital into their facilities some how?

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Shame you can't get a big enough Crain in to the yard to move the bigger boats let alone getting them out. When I looked at it about 2 months ago it was 2 big Crains 2 days. Half a day to lift a Crain in to the yard then pull rigs out then move boats to lower car park on cradles then other Crain in baths car park to lift boats over the members car park then on to a truck then off to Syc and rigs back in then lift the Crain out. All up its big Coin that my membership/ contractor fees are paying for.

2 riggers 2 days

2 boat builders 2 days

2 100 ton Crains 2 days + drivers and 2 riggers

2 trucks 2 days + escorts

Mariner manager + club experts

Traffic management

Permits to close car parks

Travel lift fees

Owners

Owners reps

Some one to move boats back to RBYC

That's with out finding any issues in the rigs boats or weather issues!

And that's not taking the insurance issues in to account

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Assuming the cradles can be moved around the yard, close the members car park for a day, lift over the fence and put on a truck.

 

It can not be that difficult can it to move 6 boats... They are not 100ft maxis!

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The issues are that there is not enough reach to get from the baths car park to the yard. And you can't get a Crain in to the yard with out lifting it in. As there is no access and most of the aria is not capable of supporting the weight of the Crain let alone a 15 ton boat at 100+ meters of reach.

 

It can be done no one is denying that it's just how much it costs to get 6 boats back in the water. In a yard that's loosing money and runs at a loss to benefit and offer a service to about 60% of the boat owing membership.

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The issues are that there is not enough reach to get from the baths car park to the yard. And you can't get a Crain in to the yard with out lifting it in. As there is no access and most of the aria is not capable of supporting the weight of the Crain let alone a 15 ton boat at 100+ meters of reach.

It can be done no one is denying that it's just how much it costs to get 6 boats back in the water. In a yard that's loosing money and runs at a loss to benefit and offer a service to about 60% of the boat owing membership.

Is the members car park not accessible for a crane and a truck at the same time?

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Negative biggest truck that can get in to club is beer truck and that only just makes it down the ramp in to the yard level no way to get a low loader in to the club let alone out with a boat on it

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Negative biggest truck that can get in to club is beer truck and that only just makes it down the ramp in to the yard level no way to get a low loader in to the club let alone out with a boat on it

I guess it shows that I never used the members car park

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I have an idea,... widen the entrance gate from the bath's car park. Get a bricky to fix it afterwards for a few slabs of VB.

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A certain past Commodore of RBYC has circulated a stinging letter to all RBYC members detailing the whitewash EGM meeting last Sunday and his views on the slipway situation. Not pretty to read and no, definitely not posting it on here either. They have been sweeping the condition of that slipway under the mat for many years and now it has bitten them on their collective arse, big-time.

 

Anyone got access to a Sky Crane helicopter? Because that's about what they will need to shift those boats out of there. Either that or demolish the Clubhouse and crane them onto Beach Rd.

 

I guess having one's yacht marooned on dry land could rightly be categorized as a First World Problem?

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