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You mean as opposed to what it cost to put on this litle shindig? Maybe neither George or Laura got laid that day, but the country sure got screwed.

 

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Please, that banner cost hardly anything. Just ask the Republicans how much it cost.

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

Yeah, I think Ben, 2h2t and JD missed that part. Not surprised though.

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

Got any evidence of that claim? Didn't think so.

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

 

Keep drinking that kool Aid - because as the left kept telling us all during the rise of the DOW during GW's term - The Dow is not a good indicator for the economy.

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

 

Keep drinking that kool Aid - because as the left kept telling us all during the rise of the DOW during GW's term - The Dow is not a good indicator for the economy.

 

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!! How about the Nasdaq??? S&P 500??? Russell 1000??? So your saying equity markets are not a historically good (FUCKING GREAT) indicator of the health of the economy???

 

 

Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

Got any evidence of that claim? Didn't think so.

 

What - you want me to post a chart of the S&P???

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

Yeah, I think Ben, 2h2t and JD missed that part. Not surprised though.

 

I quoted that part, dipshit.

 

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

Got any evidence of that claim? Didn't think so.

 

What - you want me to post a chart of the S&P???

What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

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I am just so happy that there are so many born again fiscal conservatives now. And anybody who thinks the world (it ain't just US) is going to climb out the hole we all spent years digging in a couple of months is naive at best.

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I am just so happy that there are so many born again fiscal conservatives now.

 

I don't think they are neccessarily born again fiscal conservatives. They would rather just see the money spent to the benefit of Iraqis rather than Americans.

 

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"In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out."

 

And then again, these might be the new 'normal.'

 

 

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In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

How about a whole fricking year off to go clear brush on his ranch in bum-fuck tex-ass? So long as he ain't got no (D) next to his name, I reckon that'd be just fine, eh?

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I am just so happy that there are so many born again fiscal conservatives now.

 

I don't think they are neccessarily born again fiscal conservatives. They would rather just see the money spent to the benefit of Iraqis rather than Americans.

 

Ben

 

Thanks Ben, I forgot that helping Iraqis is Patriotic and Freedom spreading while helping Americans is rewarding sloth and laziness and is Socialism.

 

Meanwhile, why is it nobody seems to understand that the largest consumer of everything on the planet has to also produce something? Something equates to a tangible which rules out everything derivative.

 

Something that is happening is wind farms in Texas - ironic that a bunch of hard working good old boys who think that colored people still need to be kept in their place, that God & Guns are equal and that Liberals and Global Anything is the work of the Devil have found the Lord in Wind Checks.

 

That this saves them from financial ruin (the aquifers have been drying up for years) is a nice bonus. Driving through Texas these past years and watching the towns slowly dry up and blow away has been depressing. Texas is now receiving foreign investment because of the business friendly atmosphere (these things aren't cheap).

 

It is just ironic that those who would most oppose Obama, Democrats, Liberals, Tree Huggers, Bush Buggerers are now helping to bring to fruition one of Obama's biggest promises: energy independence through alternative/renewable sources.

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Let's not forget the fantastic work Obama and his admin have done in rescueing the economy from the clutches of the Bush depression. The meteroric rise of the Nasdaq and S&P in recent months has generated a ton of wealth that Obama should get the credit for. For his good performance he richly deserves a night out.

Got any evidence of that claim? Didn't think so.

 

What - you want me to post a chart of the S&P???

What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/140377-ris...rce=from_friend

This one has lots of graphs so Bull Gaytor can understand it.

http://www.shadowstats.com/article/hyperinflation

 

And then that opinion piece from that right wing rag.

 

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

 

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

 

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

 

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

 

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

 

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

 

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

 

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

 

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

 

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

 

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

 

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

 

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

 

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/140377-ris...rce=from_friend

This one has lots of graphs so Bull Gaytor can understand it.

http://www.shadowstats.com/article/hyperinflation

 

And then that opinion piece from that right wing rag.

 

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

 

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

 

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

 

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

 

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

 

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

 

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

 

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

 

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

 

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

 

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

 

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

 

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

 

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

 

Boo Fucking hoo you hysterical ninny- equity markets embrace the decent into marxism as do I. If you don't like it move to France

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

 

 

Its time to move out of the swawp....

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For some, the only way to appear educated is by stating their creditionals, as opposed to exhibiting them.

 

Ben

 

Well stated - not

 

I attended The University of Florida, and majored in Animal Husbandry.

 

Better?

 

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

 

 

Its time to move out of the swawp....

 

I'm beginning to think I mis-judged BG. Seems to me I've read that explanation of the Ewe of Effe by him above in other posts almost verbatim. I'm beginning to realize that he most probably works in the admissions dept. mopping the floors and never truly went to college by the way he's avoiding an elementary and direct question. Probably got that quote from a brochure. Pretty much reinforces him as the fool we've all observed for so long. C'est la vie.

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In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

How about a whole fricking year off to go clear brush on his ranch in bum-fuck tex-ass? So long as he ain't got no (D) next to his name, I reckon that'd be just fine, eh?

 

Chuck,

 

I respect you. If you are really in favor of change, then why not say, yes, this was not a good example of saving money in a bad time.

 

You can't say that, because the offender has a (D) next to his name, so whatever he does is fine. Doing what you accused "regressives" of doing is not change.

 

Sorry Chuck, jetting off to NYC for a night out on the town which only cost Obama $200 and the taxpayers more than $25,000 is NOT setting a good example. Even youi have to admit that.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

 

I agree...BG how about posting some pics of those hot coeds you dated while starring on the football, basketball, and baseball squads?

 

KG

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

 

 

Its time to move out of the swawp....

 

I'm beginning to think I mis-judged BG. Seems to me I've read that explanation of the Ewe of Effe by him above in other posts almost verbatim. I'm beginning to realize that he most probably works in the admissions dept. mopping the floors and never truly went to college by the way he's avoiding an elementary and direct question. Probably got that quote from a brochure. Pretty much reinforces him as the fool we've all observed for so long. C'est la vie.

I want to know when UF dropped to top 50 I thought he had it as high as top 3?

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What I'm asking is crystal clear. Please post/cite any evidence you have that the President and his administration have, through their actions, "rescued the economy" since he has taken office. Any evidence that the economy has even improved through his actions, would be welcomed. Actual evidence BG, not your school boy crush on Obama, bullshit opinions. :D

 

you mean aside from reversals of trend of unemplyment #'s and GDP? Consumer confidence being at the highest levels since August of last year? Increase in commodity prices? equity markets up 40%+ from the Bush lows?? Successful sale of treasurys last week resulting in the yield on the 10 year slipping below 3.7%?????

 

C'mon BG we are all aware and it's been established that you attended a substandard undergraduate school, but what part of "Please post/cite any evidence" do you not understand?

Still waiting........

 

You mean University of Florida one of the top 50 academic universities in america (public or private) with 4 national sports championships in the last 4 years in football and basketball about to be joined by mens baseball and womens softball? The university with outstanding hot coeds, a proximity to the best beaches on the planet, great college town atmosphere, and thriving music and cultural scene?

 

What part of the examples of an improving economy that I cited did you not comprehend?

 

 

Its time to move out of the swawp....

 

I'm beginning to think I mis-judged BG. Seems to me I've read that explanation of the Ewe of Effe by him above in other posts almost verbatim. I'm beginning to realize that he most probably works in the admissions dept. mopping the floors and never truly went to college by the way he's avoiding an elementary and direct question. Probably got that quote from a brochure. Pretty much reinforces him as the fool we've all observed for so long. C'est la vie.

I want to know when UF dropped to top 50 I thought he had it as high as top 3?

 

Sheesh you just don't pay attention it's in the top three when all factors including academics and athletics are taken into account

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

I wouldn't begrudge him a night out either but....

 

Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas.

 

So, when you add the cost of secret service protection and all the other crap that has to happen for the POTUS to move amongst the people like a commoner, I would hazzard the cost was closer to $50,000.

 

But...it did sound like he was frugal on the tickets side. Seats for $96.50 ea. must have been pretty average. I'll bet dinner was in the $150 range depending on how many cocktails they had. But somehow, I can picture President Urkel ordering bottle service.

 

Nice to see he is one of the common people.

 

Hroth

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

I wouldn't begrudge him a night out either but....

 

Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas.

 

So, when you add the cost of secret service protection and all the other crap that has to happen for the POTUS to move amongst the people like a commoner, I would hazzard the cost was closer to $50,000.

 

But...it did sound like he was frugal on the tickets side. Seats for $96.50 ea. must have been pretty average. I'll bet dinner was in the $150 range depending on how many cocktails they had. But somehow, I can picture President Urkel ordering bottle service.

 

Nice to see he is one of the common people.

 

Hroth

 

$96.50 each for dinner AND theater.....very frugal. I am impressed. My wife and I go to NYC at least once a year to go to a Broadway Show. I can't say we have ever gotten as good a bargain as that. Good for him. ;)

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

I wouldn't begrudge him a night out either but....

 

Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas.

 

So, when you add the cost of secret service protection and all the other crap that has to happen for the POTUS to move amongst the people like a commoner, I would hazzard the cost was closer to $50,000.

 

But...it did sound like he was frugal on the tickets side. Seats for $96.50 ea. must have been pretty average. I'll bet dinner was in the $150 range depending on how many cocktails they had. But somehow, I can picture President Urkel ordering bottle service.

 

Nice to see he is one of the common people.

 

Hroth

 

$96.50 each for dinner AND theater.....very frugal. I am impressed. My wife and I go to NYC at least once a year to go to a Broadway Show. I can't say we have ever gotten as good a bargain as that. Good for him. ;)

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

 

 

He probably knows some people, that have some conections.

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Kind of thought $25,000 was a littler low. While the White House refuses to say how much it cost, new estimates put it well over $250,000. This takes into account the C-17 used to transport the motorcade, decoy aircraft, DCPD and NYPD cost.

 

Still think this was a smart move after telling coporate America to not use private jets on the taxpayer dime.

 

As BG would recite.....troubling.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/j...st-nyc-weekend/

 

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

C'mon BG, too much Ammonia in the mop water? Fumes are getting to you. I'd ask for a cite, but we all know you can't substantiate this claim either. So lemme give you two. By the way, the Men's Room is out of toilet paper, hop on that would ya? Oh, and we're still waiting for those "rescued the economy" cites.

 

How about the four day waitin for the stimulus to be signed Valentines weekend?

Heres's another one

 

 

For the record, no one is denying the Obama's some personal time. It's the way it's waved in our faces that Americans have to sacrifice for the country's future, but the first family can jet off on taxpayer's money, when a play or movie in Georgetown could have sufficed. If it wasn't for the economy, no one would care. I think that is reasonable.

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...think he got layed last night?

 

..that'll probably be next.... the first lady is pregnant. Anything to keep our minds off the spending.

 

If this keeps your mind off the spending, I'd say you are very easily distracted.

 

Besides... Maybe you missed this little jewel in the article:

 

"Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas."

 

Ben

 

Dinner in NYC for two. Theater tickets, orchestra seating for two. For under $200! Cheap date.

 

I think the only thing really wrong with this is after chastizing America for travelling by private jet and acknowledging that these are times for cutting cost, this was not a good way to set an example. Kind of says do what I say, not what I do.

 

In normal times I would not begrudge a hard working POTUS a night out.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

I wouldn't begrudge him a night out either but....

 

Taxpayers footed the bill for the big night on the town, which included a total of at least $24,000 for the three aircraft used to ferry the Obamas, aides and reporters to New York and back. Dinner costs and orchestra seat tickets -- at $96.50 apiece -- were paid by the Obamas.

 

So, when you add the cost of secret service protection and all the other crap that has to happen for the POTUS to move amongst the people like a commoner, I would hazzard the cost was closer to $50,000.

 

But...it did sound like he was frugal on the tickets side. Seats for $96.50 ea. must have been pretty average. I'll bet dinner was in the $150 range depending on how many cocktails they had. But somehow, I can picture President Urkel ordering bottle service.

 

Nice to see he is one of the common people.

 

Hroth

 

$96.50 each for dinner AND theater.....very frugal. I am impressed. My wife and I go to NYC at least once a year to go to a Broadway Show. I can't say we have ever gotten as good a bargain as that. Good for him. ;)

 

Cheers,

 

KG

I'll hazard a guess that Obama was given a private booth for the show - the ticket price is usually not shown - so he paid the minimum seat price. My only problem is he gives a big speech about everyone has to suffer right now - Yet that clearly does not apply to the first family. I have a question what is Michelle doing? Usually the first lady has some pet project they take on as their own - so far providing a cover picture to the mags seems to be her only contribution

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

C'mon BG, too much Ammonia in the mop water? Fumes are getting to you. I'd ask for a cite, but we all know you can't substantiate this claim either. So lemme give you two. By the way, the Men's Room is out of toilet paper, hop on that would ya? Oh, and we're still waiting for those "rescued the economy" cites.

 

How about the four day waitin for the stimulus to be signed Valentines weekend?

Heres's another one

 

 

For the record, no one is denying the Obama's some personal time. It's the way it's waved in our faces that Americans have to sacrifice for the country's future, but the first family can jet off on taxpayer's money, when a play or movie in Georgetown could have sufficed. If it wasn't for the economy, no one would care. I think that is reasonable.

 

I'd like a cite on the creation of billions of wealth created. I know that the treasury has been printing billions of dollars, but none of them have made it to me.

 

 

Looks to me like the Dow is finally back to where it was when he took office.

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

C'mon BG, too much Ammonia in the mop water? Fumes are getting to you. I'd ask for a cite, but we all know you can't substantiate this claim either. So lemme give you two. By the way, the Men's Room is out of toilet paper, hop on that would ya? Oh, and we're still waiting for those "rescued the economy" cites.

 

How about the four day waitin for the stimulus to be signed Valentines weekend?

Heres's another one

 

 

For the record, no one is denying the Obama's some personal time. It's the way it's waved in our faces that Americans have to sacrifice for the country's future, but the first family can jet off on taxpayer's money, when a play or movie in Georgetown could have sufficed. If it wasn't for the economy, no one would care. I think that is reasonable.

 

I'd like a cite on the creation of billions of wealth created. I know that the treasury has been printing billions of dollars, but none of them have made it to me.

 

 

Looks to me like the Dow is finally back to where it was when he took office.

 

The bush lows were set in March. Since then markets are up sharply - I personally have done very well as I exited from an almost 70% cash postion back to 30% Cash. Sorry to hear your have not participated in the massive generation of wealth as evidenced by the S&P nasdaq and Russell 2000 (heck even comoditties are up) in the last two months.

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

C'mon BG, too much Ammonia in the mop water? Fumes are getting to you. I'd ask for a cite, but we all know you can't substantiate this claim either. So lemme give you two. By the way, the Men's Room is out of toilet paper, hop on that would ya? Oh, and we're still waiting for those "rescued the economy" cites.

 

How about the four day waitin for the stimulus to be signed Valentines weekend?

Heres's another one

 

 

For the record, no one is denying the Obama's some personal time. It's the way it's waved in our faces that Americans have to sacrifice for the country's future, but the first family can jet off on taxpayer's money, when a play or movie in Georgetown could have sufficed. If it wasn't for the economy, no one would care. I think that is reasonable.

 

I'd like a cite on the creation of billions of wealth created. I know that the treasury has been printing billions of dollars, but none of them have made it to me.

 

 

Looks to me like the Dow is finally back to where it was when he took office.

 

The bush lows were set in March. Since then markets are up sharply - I personally have done very well as I exited from an almost 70% cash postion back to 30% Cash. Sorry to hear your have not participated in the massive generation of wealth as evidenced by the S&P nasdaq and Russel 2000 (heck even comoditties are up) in the last two months.

 

Bush lows? Obama took office in January, and the Dems immediately passed the stimulus package. Sorry BG, this is on his watch. So far he's break even. Hey Bull, you enjoy watching that 2 hit shutout that the Huskies put on your women?

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

Care to explain how Obama has 'CREATED' any real wealth? Has he produced a product? Has he added value to anything that leaves the country as an export?

 

If not, then all he's done is play hide the Salami by shifting money around through taxation and money printing.

 

Dean Kamen, the famous inventor, made a very very good point in a speech he gave this year. He said we are in the situation we're in because, as a country, somehow we've come to believe that we can shuffle papers around to create value and wealth.

 

The true answer is, you can't. The Chinese know it. The Indians know it. The Japanese have known it for a long long time. Innovation, idea creation, and adding product value are the only ways to CREATE wealth. You have to make something. Add value to it. And sell it.

 

Care to tell us how Mr. Obama has done that? What's your profession again Gaytor? Oh... RIGHT. Now I remember. Has something to do with shuffling money around doesn't it.

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Since Obama's economic policies are directly responsible for the creation of 100's of Billions of $ of wealth in america in just the last 2 months - it's fair to say he earned it. Also of note is that Obama hasn't even taken one vacation day. Lets pause to reflect on that for a moment - then contrast it with Bush who by the time 9/11 rolled around had spent a whopping 96 days or 40% of his presidency to that point.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

C'mon BG, too much Ammonia in the mop water? Fumes are getting to you. I'd ask for a cite, but we all know you can't substantiate this claim either. So lemme give you two. By the way, the Men's Room is out of toilet paper, hop on that would ya? Oh, and we're still waiting for those "rescued the economy" cites.

 

How about the four day waitin for the stimulus to be signed Valentines weekend?

Heres's another one

 

 

For the record, no one is denying the Obama's some personal time. It's the way it's waved in our faces that Americans have to sacrifice for the country's future, but the first family can jet off on taxpayer's money, when a play or movie in Georgetown could have sufficed. If it wasn't for the economy, no one would care. I think that is reasonable.

 

I'd like a cite on the creation of billions of wealth created. I know that the treasury has been printing billions of dollars, but none of them have made it to me.

 

 

Looks to me like the Dow is finally back to where it was when he took office.

 

The bush lows were set in March. Since then markets are up sharply - I personally have done very well as I exited from an almost 70% cash postion back to 30% Cash. Sorry to hear your have not participated in the massive generation of wealth as evidenced by the S&P nasdaq and Russel 2000 (heck even comoditties are up) in the last two months.

 

Bush lows? Obama took office in January, and the Dems immediately passed the stimulus package. Sorry BG, this is on his watch. So far he's break even. Hey Bull, you enjoy watching that 2 hit shutout that the Huskies put on your women?

 

no reasonable person agrees with you - it took time for the spigots to flow and for capital markets to recognize the wisdom of the Obama plan - as soon as they did BLAMO!!! the markets took off.

 

As for softball we've got two more games biatch.

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BG start another thread if you want to brag about your financial wizardry.

 

Obama and the Congress condemned corporate American for excesses, particularly flying corporate jets on the taxpayers dime.

 

Pelosi still flys an AF jet back and forth to California.

 

A 747 was sent to fly around the Statue of Liberty for a photo op. This was widely criticized for the cost and a lower level staff member lost his job over it.

 

Now 3 to 4 helocopters, three jets, one C-71, a motorcade, blocking of roads by DCPD and NYPD at a cost the White House will not even comment on.

 

I would just like to hear those who support this President say this was wrong at this time. It was pretty much an in your face "do as I say, not as I do".

 

Otherwise, no change except the party in power and no hope for our country as long as those on the left do what they condemened those on the right of doing.

 

My opinion,

 

KG

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Dean Kamen, the famous inventor, made a very very good point in a speech he gave this year. He said we are in the situation we're in because, as a country, somehow we've come to believe that we can shuffle papers around to create value and wealth.

 

The true answer is, you can't. The Chinese know it. The Indians know it. The Japanese have known it for a long long time. Innovation, idea creation, and adding product value are the only ways to CREATE wealth. You have to make something. Add value to it. And sell it.

 

It's a point I have been trying to make for many, many years. When in the 90s China started selling finished goods for the price of the raw materials nobody cared. Low wages, prison labor, blah blah who cares we can all buy stuff really really cheap and look at how successful Walmart is - they create 250 jobs in every town they open a store. (never mind that they kill off all the locally owned businesses).

 

Be Patriotic: Go Shopping.

 

We are a nation of lazy dumbasses.

 

end of rant.

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Obama and the Congress condemned corporate American for excesses, particularly flying corporate jets on the taxpayers dime.

 

My opinion,

 

KG

 

I believe the criticism was the Big 3 flying to DC each on their own private jets to ask for a handout. It wasn't on the taxpayers dime, yet anyway. In fact Ford has yet to take any money.

 

Your opinion? Funny, your opinion seems to be Fox News.

 

My observation.

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Obama and the Congress condemned corporate American for excesses, particularly flying corporate jets on the taxpayers dime.

 

My opinion,

 

KG

 

I believe the criticism was the Big 3 flying to DC each on their own private jets to ask for a handout. It wasn't on the taxpayers dime, yet anyway. In fact Ford has yet to take any money.

 

Your opinion? Funny, your opinion seems to be Fox News.

 

My observation.

 

Nice dodge dranger....no FOX news. I listened to all of your critique of the right and their undying support of Bush and ALL he did or did not do. I have come the the conclusion that all of this BS is just that, you will support your President right or wrong, just as you condemned the right. I am not criticizing the man, I am saying put up or shut up. Do as you say.

 

I am asking you on Obama's team to own up to what this act represents and at least say it was in bad taste. You know, criticize the action as being counter productive to what he is supposedly all about. I could care less about a shit fight about Obama as POTUS. Just seeing if you can do what you asked everyone else to do when Bush was in.

 

So far............NADA. This means NO CHANGE except who is the party in charge. Still you choose your party over your country.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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It is troubling that the lunatic fringe of the regressive party begrudges Obama 1 "date night" and no vacation days yet ingored the near triple digit vacation days of the previous incumbent. Maybe all would be better if Obama flew to Hawaii for say 30 days of R&R

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Nice dodge dranger....no FOX news. I listened to all of your critique of the right and their undying support of Bush and ALL he did or did not do. I have come the the conclusion that all of this BS is just that, you will support your President right or wrong, just as you condemned the right. I am not criticizing the man, I am saying put up or shut up. Do as you say.

 

I am asking you on Obama's team to own up to what this act represents and at least say it was in bad taste. You know, criticize the action as being counter productive to what he is supposedly all about. I could care less about a shit fight about Obama as POTUS. Just seeing if you can do what you asked everyone else to do when Bush was in.

 

So far............NADA. This means NO CHANGE except who is the party in charge. Still you choose your party over your country.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

If by dodge you mean facts then we are on the same page. Sorry if I can't get outraged because of a night on the town. I don't think I ever begrudged Bush or anyone else the occasional outing. Months away from the WH? Sorry, totally different.

 

You are doing your best (as is FOX) to make mountains out of molehills. The bitches with the Bush admin were based on a total lack of fiscal responsibility, an unjustified and poorly executed invasion of Iraq, and on and on. The US and the world are in the shape it's in largely because of the actions and lack of oversight of the Republicans controlling our government.

 

You aren't going to be happy until the NYTimes gives Obama equally bad press. This would be the same Times that gave Bush an extended honeymoon after 9/11 lasting until well after the Iraq invasion.

Have another helping of sour grapes on me.

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Nice dodge dranger....no FOX news. I listened to all of your critique of the right and their undying support of Bush and ALL he did or did not do. I have come the the conclusion that all of this BS is just that, you will support your President right or wrong, just as you condemned the right. I am not criticizing the man, I am saying put up or shut up. Do as you say.

 

I am asking you on Obama's team to own up to what this act represents and at least say it was in bad taste. You know, criticize the action as being counter productive to what he is supposedly all about. I could care less about a shit fight about Obama as POTUS. Just seeing if you can do what you asked everyone else to do when Bush was in.

 

So far............NADA. This means NO CHANGE except who is the party in charge. Still you choose your party over your country.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

If by dodge you mean facts then we are on the same page. Sorry if I can't get outraged because of a night on the town. I don't think I ever begrudged Bush or anyone else the occasional outing. Months away from the WH? Sorry, totally different.

 

You are doing your best (as is FOX) to make mountains out of molehills. The bitches with the Bush admin were based on a total lack of fiscal responsibility, an unjustified and poorly executed invasion of Iraq, and on and on. The US and the world are in the shape it's in largely because of the actions and lack of oversight of the Republicans controlling our government.

 

You aren't going to be happy until the NYTimes gives Obama equally bad press. This would be the same Times that gave Bush an extended honeymoon after 9/11 lasting until well after the Iraq invasion.

Have another helping of sour grapes on me.

 

You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

The fact is this "outing" following the 747 NYC fly-over is a waste of taxpayer dollars, a lot of them, by a POTUS who is asking everyone to tighten their belts. How is one different from the other, except the date cost one heck of a lot more? That you cannot see how wrong this is shows you will support Obama in everything he does, no matter how wrong it may be. You are no different than those on the right you condemned for doing the same thing.

 

You trot out the same tired old BS about FOX and try to paint my rather credible complaint with that broad brush. Nothing will ever change in this country until Americans give up the party in favor of the country.

 

Sorry dranger, I thought you would see the mistake in Obama's action.

 

Cheers,

 

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Wasn't Bush excoriated in the press for playing golf after Katrina? Not that there was anything wrong with him doing it, it just looked bad and gave the wrong perception in a time of crisis.

 

Granted the whole obama date thing is a bit of a molehill - but it does show poor judgement and poor taste when America is in its worst reccession since the 1930s Great Depression. With millions of Americans out of work and even more losing their homes - jetting to NYC in a private jet, having a lavish dinner and a show - all on the taxpayer dime - just doesn't look good and displays very poor judgement on his part.

 

And as we all know - as you guys have driven home for the past 8 years - perception is reality.

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You guys are absolutely right.

 

Every time the POTUS steps out the door of the White House it is going to cost us all thousands of dollars in security and transport because the POTUS can't fly commercial and he's always going to have an entourage of reporters following him.

 

So there's really only one solution. Barack Obama must not leave the White House at any time during the next four years except on official government business.

 

That seems reasonable.

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You guys are absolutely right.

 

Every time the POTUS steps out the door of the White House it is going to cost us all thousands of dollars in security and transport because the POTUS can't fly commercial and he's always going to have an entourage of reporters following him.

 

So there's really only one solution. Barack Obama must not leave the White House at any time during the next four years except on official government business.

 

That seems reasonable.

 

You can be such an ass sometimes. There is a big difference between flying around for the country's business vs going on a personal junket for dinner and a show. You know that and you're just deliberatley being a total ass about it.

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You guys are absolutely right.

 

Every time the POTUS steps out the door of the White House it is going to cost us all thousands of dollars in security and transport because the POTUS can't fly commercial and he's always going to have an entourage of reporters following him.

 

So there's really only one solution. Barack Obama must not leave the White House at any time during the next four years except on official government business.

 

That seems reasonable.

No what would be reasonable would be to combine business with pleasure like most people do in tough times - Next time he needs to address the UN (should be on the world tour this summer) use that visit to New York to wine and dine the first lady. Hell he is flying off to France this week bring the old lady along and do Paris. The point that most are finding Hypocritical is firing up the whole governmental apparatus for dinner and a play. Latest taxpayer "date" costs are well over $250,000, even Richard Gere borrowed the 1/4 million dollar necklace when he flew off to the opera.

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You guys are absolutely right.

 

Every time the POTUS steps out the door of the White House it is going to cost us all thousands of dollars in security and transport because the POTUS can't fly commercial and he's always going to have an entourage of reporters following him.

 

So there's really only one solution. Barack Obama must not leave the White House at any time during the next four years except on official government business.

 

That seems reasonable.

 

You can be such an ass sometimes. There is a big difference between flying around for the country's business vs going on a personal junket for dinner and a show. You know that and you're just deliberatley being a total ass about it.

 

It is troubling that the lunatic right wasn't similarly outraged about the shrubs vacation days (40% of his presidency) during a time of war. I mean one moment you got poor old Private Joe Schmoe bleeding out in Iraq and the next you've got a picture of the shrub mountain biking on his ranch in Crawford

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I really find this whole discussion absurd.

 

There was a thread a while back about the photo op flyby in NYC. It seemed to me that even those supporting Obama agreed it was a waste of money and there were even some of you on the left calling for who ever ordered it to pay. You said it did not go all the way to the White House, Obama did not know about it so he was safe from critique.

 

Now the same thing has happened. POTUS and FLOTUS went out for a night on the town in NYC. Most likely cost a whole hell of a lot more than the photo op. POTUS knew about it. Why are you not holding him to the same standard as in the other flight/waste of money scheme?

 

If this was a Republican POTUS who had spent 4 months making speeches about wasteful spending and stopping it, dranger and the wabbit would be frothing at the mouth. Can't you see how much BS this is? You are still shilling for your party over the country.

 

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

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You guys are absolutely right.

 

Every time the POTUS steps out the door of the White House it is going to cost us all thousands of dollars in security and transport because the POTUS can't fly commercial and he's always going to have an entourage of reporters following him.

 

So there's really only one solution. Barack Obama must not leave the White House at any time during the next four years except on official government business.

 

That seems reasonable.

 

You can be such an ass sometimes. There is a big difference between flying around for the country's business vs going on a personal junket for dinner and a show. You know that and you're just deliberatley being a total ass about it.

 

 

But I'm agreeing with you.

 

Obama should not leave the White House/Washington DC except on official business. Isn't that what you're saying?

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I'm sure Obama was using frequent flyer miles for this personal trip. He has to have a couple free tickets now given his trips to europe, mexico, and california.

 

Egypt this week. Lotta miles. Should put a dent in it.

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

 

dranger, where did I blame the "fly over" on Obama? I said he was out of the loop, that seemed to make the case he had nothing to do with it. Can't make that case this time.

 

"Bush Supporter"? Drinking a little early today? :blink: I have never posted under anything other than KAG. At least I have come to this realization. Some of you seem to believe the left is doing what is best for the country, good for you. Someday you will come to the same conclusion I and others have come to. They do not give a damn about the country, just their power.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

That was me - The point that you keep glossing over is that everyone on the left was using a big ass magnifying glass over everything Bush did including the Hollywood elite that shared there hatred on every tabloid show from the View to Letterman, the MSM which headlined every death in Iraq, to films like Fahrenheit 911. These people NEVER accepted Bush as a legitimate president from day 1 that is not the case with Obama he is getting a more than fair shake from the media and the Hollywood elite.

 

You really are not trying to imply that a thread on the political side of an online sailing site is some how getting the word out-- :lol:

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That was me - The point that you keep glossing over is that everyone on the left was using a big ass magnifying glass over everything Bush did including the Hollywood elite that shared there hatred on every tabloid show from the View to Letterman, the MSM which headlined every death in Iraq, to films like Fahrenheit 911. These people NEVER accepted Bush as a legitimate president from day 1 that is not the case with Obama he is getting a more than fair shake from the media and the Hollywood elite.

 

You really are not trying to imply that a thread on the political side of an online sailing site is some how getting the word out-- :lol:

 

OK, sorry I got you two guys confused. And never accepted Bush? His approval rating was +90% post 9/11 and stayed there until he screwed the pooch in Iraq.

 

I would say Bush got more than 'a fair shake' from the media, he got Cart Blanche and abused it. Iraq is going to haunt us for generations and whatever Bush got he deserved. And when I say Bush I mean the cabal that was in power at that time. That it does appear that he actually took control toward the end of his presidency earns my respect - perhaps if he had done that years earlier we would be writing about things more pleasant. Like sailing.

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

 

dranger, where did I blame the "fly over" on Obama? I said he was out of the loop, that seemed to make the case he had nothing to do with it. Can't make that case this time.

 

"Bush Supporter"? Drinking a little early today? :blink: I have never posted under anything other than KAG. At least I have come to this realization. Some of you seem to believe the left is doing what is best for the country, good for you. Someday you will come to the same conclusion I and others have come to. They do not give a damn about the country, just their power.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

The only "realization" that you've come to is that because your party sucks, the other party must suck too.

 

I think that psychologists call that "projection."

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

 

dranger, where did I blame the "fly over" on Obama? I said he was out of the loop, that seemed to make the case he had nothing to do with it. Can't make that case this time.

 

"Bush Supporter"? Drinking a little early today? :blink: I have never posted under anything other than KAG. At least I have come to this realization. Some of you seem to believe the left is doing what is best for the country, good for you. Someday you will come to the same conclusion I and others have come to. They do not give a damn about the country, just their power.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

The only "realization" that you've come to is that because your party sucks, the other party must suck too.

 

I think that psychologists call that "projection."

 

Well that is a well thought out and intelligent response...pretty much up to par for the wabbit. No BOTH parties do suck. That you cannot see it shows your party is in power.

 

Thank you for participating in this discussion.

 

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You could not be more off base dranger. I really have no sour grapes. As I said, my conclusion is both parties are out of whack, completely. Neither care a damn about what is for the good of the country.

 

OK, it might be in poor taste - if I had worked as hard as he did to get elected I would probably do the same thing. Blaming the "fly over" on Obama is a low blow - he didn't authorize it and the guy who did is gone.

 

Mountains of molehills. And help me out because I lose track of who is who here - are you the guy who was "Bush Supporter"? Either way it is nice to see that you think that both parties are out of whack, it is just interesting that you and others didn't realize this until your party was out of power. Before that everything seemed fine except those damn Democrats were ruining the country.

 

And if you really wanted the bad news in Iraq to be up front and center perhaps you could spend more time posting that rather than "guess who went to dinner".

 

dranger, where did I blame the "fly over" on Obama? I said he was out of the loop, that seemed to make the case he had nothing to do with it. Can't make that case this time.

 

"Bush Supporter"? Drinking a little early today? :blink: I have never posted under anything other than KAG. At least I have come to this realization. Some of you seem to believe the left is doing what is best for the country, good for you. Someday you will come to the same conclusion I and others have come to. They do not give a damn about the country, just their power.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

 

The only "realization" that you've come to is that because your party sucks, the other party must suck too.

 

I think that psychologists call that "projection."

 

Well that is a well thought out and intelligent response...pretty much up to par for the wabbit. No BOTH parties do suck. That you cannot see it shows your party is in power.

 

Thank you for participating in this discussion.

 

KG

 

Your absolutely right.

 

The economy sucked during the Clinton administration.

 

We were embroiled in a nonsense war that cost 4,000 servicemen their lives during the Clinton administration .

 

The FDA was corrupted by religious demagogues during the Clinton administration.

 

The DoJ was corrupted by political hacks during the Clinton administration.

 

The EPA was neutered during the Clinton administration.

 

 

Oh wait. Seems I got something wrong there.

 

What can it be?

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I'm sure Obama was using frequent flyer miles for this personal trip. He has to have a couple free tickets now given his trips to europe, mexico, and california.

 

Egypt this week. Lotta miles. Should put a dent in it.

 

I wonder what hotel clubs he belongs to? I'm partial to Starwood -- but he has to hit all those crummy little towns so I'm guessing he's Hilton Honors.

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It is troubling that the lunatic fringe of the regressive party begrudges Obama 1 "date night" and no vacation days yet ingored the near triple digit vacation days of the previous incumbent. Maybe all would be better if Obama flew to Hawaii for say 30 days of R&R

 

Well, at many companies, you don't get to use accrued vacation time for 6-12 months, not counting holidays, etc... And, Bush was in office 8 years, remember?

 

Bottom line BG, is that BHO is an elitist lefty who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Same with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Clinton, and the whole rest of the elitist leftys who think they know better than individuals do about what is best for them.

 

So now, I can add 'elitist' to my liberal tagline--"typical elitist liberal hypocrite." Kind of has a nice ring.

 

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It is troubling that the lunatic fringe of the regressive party begrudges Obama 1 "date night" and no vacation days yet ingored the near triple digit vacation days of the previous incumbent. Maybe all would be better if Obama flew to Hawaii for say 30 days of R&R

 

Well, at many companies, you don't get to use accrued vacation time for 6-12 months, not counting holidays, etc... And, Bush was in office 8 years, remember?

 

Bottom line BG, is that BHO is an elitist lefty who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Same with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Clinton, and the whole rest of the elitist leftys who think they know better than individuals do about what is best for them.

 

So now, I can add 'elitist' to my liberal tagline--"typical elitist liberal hypocrite." Kind of has a nice ring.

 

Hroth

Hell of an 8 years it was. 487 Days at Camp David and 490 Days on the Ranch. It's hard work.

 

On the other hand, maybe if he had taken some more time off, our mess wouldn't be quite so bad, and The Party wouldn't be in such dire straits. So I have mixed emotions about it.

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It is troubling that the lunatic fringe of the regressive party begrudges Obama 1 "date night" and no vacation days yet ingored the near triple digit vacation days of the previous incumbent. Maybe all would be better if Obama flew to Hawaii for say 30 days of R&R

 

Well, at many companies, you don't get to use accrued vacation time for 6-12 months, not counting holidays, etc... And, Bush was in office 8 years, remember?

 

Bottom line BG, is that BHO is an elitist lefty who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Same with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Clinton, and the whole rest of the elitist leftys who think they know better than individuals do about what is best for them.

 

So now, I can add 'elitist' to my liberal tagline--"typical elitist liberal hypocrite." Kind of has a nice ring.

 

Hroth

Hell of an 8 years it was. 487 Days at Camp David and 490 Days on the Ranch. It's hard work.

 

On the other hand, maybe if he had taken some more time off, our mess wouldn't be quite so bad, and The Party wouldn't be in such dire straits. So I have mixed emotions about it.

 

I am kind of surprised you bought into this BS. These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted. Same with most other Presidents who had out of DC places to work. Also no one is capping on Obama taking some time to go out. Just the expense of this little jaunt in a depressed time by a man asking everyone to tighten their belts. Can't say I remember even Billy doing this in good times. They usually mix business with pleasure, or at least appear to.

 

How about letting us know how many days at the Ranch or Camp David were absent work as POTUS? Are you going to get upset with Obama and his soccer games? Did not think so, nor should you.

 

Close to a boot in the nuts for ya Sol! :P

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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It is troubling that the lunatic fringe of the regressive party begrudges Obama 1 "date night" and no vacation days yet ingored the near triple digit vacation days of the previous incumbent. Maybe all would be better if Obama flew to Hawaii for say 30 days of R&R

 

Well, at many companies, you don't get to use accrued vacation time for 6-12 months, not counting holidays, etc... And, Bush was in office 8 years, remember?

 

Bottom line BG, is that BHO is an elitist lefty who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Same with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Clinton, and the whole rest of the elitist leftys who think they know better than individuals do about what is best for them.

 

So now, I can add 'elitist' to my liberal tagline--"typical elitist liberal hypocrite." Kind of has a nice ring.

 

Hroth

Hell of an 8 years it was. 487 Days at Camp David and 490 Days on the Ranch. It's hard work.

 

On the other hand, maybe if he had taken some more time off, our mess wouldn't be quite so bad, and The Party wouldn't be in such dire straits. So I have mixed emotions about it.

 

Seems like Bush was a stay at home vacationer. You didn't see him painting the town red like Barry. :)

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These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Yeah, right.

 

You can't even allow allow yourself to admit that Bush was a lazy twit who spent $7 million in taxpayer dollars IN JUST ONE YEAR (2006) going to and from Crawford instead of doing his "work" in the White House.

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These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Yeah, right.

 

You can't even allow allow yourself to admit that Bush was a lazy twit who spent $7 million in taxpayer dollars IN JUST ONE YEAR (2006) going to and from Crawford instead of doing his "work" in the White House.

 

No I can't. I don't believe that he was a twit. Get over it. Your guy won, you own the White House. And from how you have responded to this question, spending $330k to $500k to go out on the town in NY is OK in your book. Good for you.

 

Well Wabbit man, it is only 4 months. Your guy has spent more than any other president, and has demonstrated he is a do as I say not as I do kind of guy. Let's just see how it pans out after 4 years. ;)

 

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KG

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These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Yeah, right.

 

You can't even allow allow yourself to admit that Bush was a lazy twit who spent $7 million in taxpayer dollars IN JUST ONE YEAR (2006) going to and from Crawford instead of doing his "work" in the White House.

 

No I can't. I don't believe that he was a twit. Get over it. Your guy won, you own the White House. And from how you have responded to this question, spending $330k to $500k to go out on the town in NY is OK in your book. Good for you.

 

Well Wabbit man, it is only 4 months. Your guy has spent more than any other president, and has demonstrated he is a do as I say not as I do kind of guy. Let's just see how it pans out after 4 years. ;)

 

Cheers,

KG

 

So both parties suck, you've "changed your beliefs," and you're warning other people not "to fall into same trap that you "side" is always right."

 

And yet you cannot bring yourself to admit that perhaps our previous president spent a little too much time on vacation.

 

Let us know when you're ready to criticize the previous administration, because we sure haven't seen any of that yet.

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I'm still waiting Gaston. What 'Wealth' has OBAMA created? Your words. Now back them up.

 

Well according to mccabe, when the stock market was falling, it was Obama's fault.

 

So I suppose that the logic is that Obama gets credit now that the market is above where it was when Bush left office.

 

But it's a stupid notion, whether it comes from mccabe or gaytor.

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Can't say I remember even Billy doing this [going out to dinner] in good times.

 

Do you blame him? He had his choice of either Hillary or Monica to go out on the town with. I'm seriously not sure what would be worse..... having to look across a dinner table at Hillary for two hours or having your pic taken with Monica and it hitting the press and THEN still having to face Hillary later on. Lose lose situation for him. At least when he stayed in - he was getting his knob polished by a young fat girl who had youth and exuberance on her side. That's pretty much a no-brainer there.....

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I'm still waiting Gaston. What 'Wealth' has OBAMA created? Your words. Now back them up.
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His policies and steady hand caused both consumer and market confidence to increase causing equity and commodity prices to rise - thereby creating wealth. Even you should be able to figure that out...

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These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted.

 

Look, all I am saying is don't fall into the same trap that you "side" is always right. Criticize your party members when they do not follow through as you claimed we on the right did not do. I have given up on this two party system and while you may slam me for the past, at least I learned and made a change in my beliefs. I am looking forward, and just looking for a clue that others are to.

 

Yeah, right.

 

You can't even allow allow yourself to admit that Bush was a lazy twit who spent $7 million in taxpayer dollars IN JUST ONE YEAR (2006) going to and from Crawford instead of doing his "work" in the White House.

 

No I can't. I don't believe that he was a twit. Get over it. Your guy won, you own the White House. And from how you have responded to this question, spending $330k to $500k to go out on the town in NY is OK in your book. Good for you.

 

Well Wabbit man, it is only 4 months. Your guy has spent more than any other president, and has demonstrated he is a do as I say not as I do kind of guy. Let's just see how it pans out after 4 years. ;)

 

Cheers,

KG

 

So both parties suck, you've "changed your beliefs," and you're warning other people not "to fall into same trap that you "side" is always right."

 

And yet you cannot bring yourself to admit that perhaps our previous president spent a little too much time on vacation.

 

Let us know when you're ready to criticize the previous administration, because we sure haven't seen any of that yet.

 

Mr. Wabbit, define vacation? Moving your office to another location for a working vacation is NOT the same as jetting off to NYC with your wife on the taxpayers dime.

 

Bush is NOT the POTUS anymore......as you always told the Bill Clinton critics, Get over it.

 

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er, for the Obama haters -- is there ANYTHING you like about the guy? Seriously, we get all the "cons" -- any pro's whatsover? His frugal haircut?

 

I think he is bright, articulate, bold, and WAS a rising star. I don't agree with Rush, I do not wish him failure. I do not hate him.

 

But I don't agree with the spending. I don't agree with do as I say, not as I do. And I do not think he is experienced enough not to be caught up in the trappings of being POTUS.

 

Wether he is right or wrong with what he is doing to the economy WILL be known within his first term.

 

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KG

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I am kind of surprised you bought into this BS. These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted. Same with most other Presidents who had out of DC places to work. Also no one is capping on Obama taking some time to go out. Just the expense of this little jaunt in a depressed time by a man asking everyone to tighten their belts. Can't say I remember even Billy doing this in good times. They usually mix business with pleasure, or at least appear to.

 

How about letting us know how many days at the Ranch or Camp David were absent work as POTUS? Are you going to get upset with Obama and his soccer games? Did not think so, nor should you.

 

Close to a boot in the nuts for ya Sol! :P

 

Cheers,

 

KG

Well, what's the highest number of working vacation days taken by any other President?

 

I do not take issue with that per se, I was pointing out the lunacy of Hroth sniping at Obama's taking time off for an evening with his wife, which if you look at his comment about new employees and vacation time, you will see that he most certainly was doing.

 

As for the expense, how did Obama's trip differ from the practices followed by other Presidents? Did other Presidents fly Southwest when they felt free to move about the country? Are you sure you want to have this debate once we start comparing apples to apples?

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er, for the Obama haters -- is there ANYTHING you like about the guy? Seriously, we get all the "cons" -- any pro's whatsover? His frugal haircut?

 

I am an Obama hater because I think his actions are condescending to the very people he purports to represent and I think his policies, while in the short term may be helpful, are setting us on a ruinous path.

 

But, I do like his swagger, confidence, and the fact he represents all the good stuff about America...that a middle class half-white kid can get to be President if you're willing to play the game and sell your soul.

 

Hroth

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OH NO!!! Turns out the shrub took more vacation than any other president by a runnaway margin. Not surprisingly the best president of modern times (Clinton) worked the hardest taking a paltry 15o days compared to Bush's 1000 days. Of course Obama is on path to shatter this mark as he has YET to take a vacation day.

 

Change we can believe in.....

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/08/21/...main34415.shtml

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(1)I am an Obama hater because I think his actions are condescending to the very people he purports to represent and (2) I think his policies, while in the short term may be helpful, are setting us on a ruinous path.

 

But, I do like his swagger, confidence, and the fact he represents all the good stuff about America...(3)that a middle class half-white kid can get to be President if you're willing to play the game and (4) sell your soul.

 

Hroth

1. How so?

2. I am afraid that you may be right, but I still have questions. Isn't he advocating Keynesian economics? If so, is he the first leader to advocate Keynesian economics in a time of economic downturn?

3. Why does his race have any bearing on the conversation?

4. How has he sold his soul?

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I am kind of surprised you bought into this BS. These were working vacations. The countries business was still being conducted. Same with most other Presidents who had out of DC places to work. Also no one is capping on Obama taking some time to go out. Just the expense of this little jaunt in a depressed time by a man asking everyone to tighten their belts. Can't say I remember even Billy doing this in good times. They usually mix business with pleasure, or at least appear to.

 

How about letting us know how many days at the Ranch or Camp David were absent work as POTUS? Are you going to get upset with Obama and his soccer games? Did not think so, nor should you.

 

Close to a boot in the nuts for ya Sol! :P

 

Cheers,

 

KG

Well, what's the highest number of working vacation days taken by any other President?

 

I do not take issue with that per se, I was pointing out the lunacy of Hroth sniping at Obama's taking time off for an evening with his wife, which if you look at his comment about new employees and vacation time, you will see that he most certainly was doing.

 

As for the expense, how did Obama's trip differ from the practices followed by other Presidents? Did other Presidents fly Southwest when they felt free to move about the country? Are you sure you want to have this debate once we start comparing apples to apples?

 

I have no idea. But to put it into context, what work was accomplished on the "vacation".

 

I really do not believe this type of night out on the town occured with other Presidents. I think they took their wives out on the town when they were in the town for business, but that is not the point.

 

It is the hypocrisy of saying, tighten your belts and then spending a few hundred thousand of taxpayer money to have a night out in NYC. Sorry you cannot see that.

 

It was a bad move, in a bad time, after telling everyone to stop wasting money. That is all.

 

But tell me if you can find another incident where a POTUS and FLOTUS mobilized to another city for just dinner and a show. I would be curious if it happens much. Presidents are aware they are being watched.

 

Cheers,

 

KG

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(1)I am an Obama hater because I think his actions are condescending to the very people he purports to represent and (2) I think his policies, while in the short term may be helpful, are setting us on a ruinous path.

 

But, I do like his swagger, confidence, and the fact he represents all the good stuff about America...(3)that a middle class half-white kid can get to be President if you're willing to play the game and (4) sell your soul.

 

Hroth

1. How so?

2. I am afraid that you may be right, but I still have questions. Isn't he advocating Keynesian economics? If so, is he the first leader to advocate Keynesian economics in a time of economic downturn?

3. Why does his race have any bearing on the conversation?

4. How has he sold his soul?

1. His speech is condescending, Michelle's extraordinary wardrobe and general celebrity, his do as I say, not as I do behavior suggests that he is not a common man like he claims but rather an elitist

2. Not sure about this one--but he certainly isn't a supply sider. Feels more like FDR or LBJ to me

3. Are you kidding? His entire political career has been about race. I am just trying to make light of the situation that if anyone looked beyond that, they would find he had a pretty normal background.

4. Pelosi, Reid, Jackson, Clinton, etc.... got him elected. He owes them all.

 

Hroth

4.

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(1)I am an Obama hater because I think his actions are condescending to the very people he purports to represent and (2) I think his policies, while in the short term may be helpful, are setting us on a ruinous path.

 

But, I do like his swagger, confidence, and the fact he represents all the good stuff about America...(3)that a middle class half-white kid can get to be President if you're willing to play the game and (4) sell your soul.

 

Hroth

1. How so?

2. I am afraid that you may be right, but I still have questions. Isn't he advocating Keynesian economics? If so, is he the first leader to advocate Keynesian economics in a time of economic downturn?

3. Why does his race have any bearing on the conversation?

4. How has he sold his soul?

1. His speech is condescending, Michelle's extraordinary wardrobe and general celebrity, his do as I say, not as I do behavior suggests that he is not a common man like he claims but rather an elitist

2. Not sure about this one--but he certainly isn't a supply sider. Feels more like FDR or LBJ to me

3. Are you kidding? His entire political career has been about race. I am just trying to make light of the situation that if anyone looked beyond that, they would find he had a pretty normal background.

4. Pelosi, Reid, Jackson, Clinton, etc.... got him elected. He owes them all.

 

Hroth

4.

 

Clinton got him elected - didn't he beat Clinton in the primarys??? Your covuluted thinking is troubling

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