MR.CLEAN 3,975 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Alinghi have claimed that they won't be using water ballast, but today's spy photos confirm that they WILL be using a new type of moveable ballast solution perfected just last week. Called "Ballast The Hutt," the new system uses the heft of multi-millionaire grifter *********** to create righting moment as well as to infuse Alinghi with needed capital for the affair. George Lucas is considering legal action against Alinghi... Pics courtesy of Anarchist Boba Fett. Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,975 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Butterball wasn't happy that his secret was revealed. Not happy at all! Link to post Share on other sites
chrishampe 2 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Are you sure that ballast is movable? Link to post Share on other sites
Scientific Sailor 0 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Are you sure that ballast is movable? Well that's what engine is for Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 2,814 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At last. Someone aboard marginally bigger in girth than BB. Link to post Share on other sites
curiousinsider 2 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At last. Someone aboard marginally bigger in girth than BB. Not for long as that photo for "all for friendly competition" BB seem to show. Not sure what Ernie is doing to him but boy... if I was BB I would stay away from him before Thanksgiving dinner... Anyway he is as in shape as he needs in an automated yacht. Shit, "round" is a shape! Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Hockey 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Funniest Front Page Ever.... Link to post Share on other sites
arr4ws 88 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. Link to post Share on other sites
SimonN 626 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. Agreed. But at bleast it shows the boat is a lot stronger than some on here seem to think Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Weslake 6 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 if this dude goes overboard , he is done. Nah, he'll float like a cork! Link to post Share on other sites
arr4ws 88 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 if this dude goes overboard , he is done. Nah, he'll float like a cork! Depend on wich side he falls i guess... if its on his face im not sure he is able to turn around to breath Link to post Share on other sites
GDEvans 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Maybe he's the new windward mark? Link to post Share on other sites
mo fuzz 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 geesh, he makes BB look slim! ...and EB a poster boy for some world hunger organization! Dude needs to give Jared a call. Link to post Share on other sites
GDEvans 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 BTW who is ***********? I know he is dirty rich and owns Numbers, but what is his company and how did he make his money? When I Google him I come up with links to a sword swallower - I can't believe that sword swallowing is that lucrative! Link to post Share on other sites
gavinspier 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 BTW who is ***********? I know he is dirty rich and owns Numbers, but what is his company and how did he make his money? When I Google him I come up with links to a sword swallower - I can't believe that sword swallowing is that lucrative! I used advanced search and found out he likes eating meat pies Link to post Share on other sites
Loose Cannon 74 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Funniest Front Page Ever.... +1 Man, I just about blew coffee out of my nose reading this morning. Link to post Share on other sites
gavinspier 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Lots of them! Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,968 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Alinghi have claimed that they won't be using water ballast, but today's spy photos confirm that they WILL be using a new type of moveable ballast solution perfected just last week. Called "Ballast The Hutt," the new system uses the heft of multi-millionaire grifter *********** to create righting moment as well as to infuse Alinghi with needed capital for the affair. George Lucas is considering legal action against Alinghi... Pics courtesy of Anarchist Boba Fett. I'm guessing thats why they keep the heavy lift helicopter on stand-by, getting him on and off is gonna be a hell of a job Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 1 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. I've heard he is proud of his size. I was visiting with some blokes that did the construction on Numbers, and they said they had to do a mock up of the cabin entrance to make sure he would fit. And then did another one of the shitter to make sure it could hold him. I wouldn't worry about how he looked as much as I would about his health. Link to post Share on other sites
gavinspier 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. I've heard he is proud of his size. I was visiting with some blokes that did the construction on Numbers, and they said they had to do a mock up of the cabin entrance to make sure he would fit. And then did another one of the shitter to make sure it could hold him. I wouldn't worry about how he looked as much as I would about his health. Do your contacts have the brand details of the heads they used? I can't imagine it is a standard Jabsco Link to post Share on other sites
Mono 1 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 By the way, I hope he didn´t eat Simon Daubney: he wouldn´t sleep for a week or something (by the way, that guy did came back well under the radar). Link to post Share on other sites
Hard Day's Night 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dan has always been pretty hefty but from the photo seems to have exploded in girth since I last saw him about 18 months ago. I wonder if he hasn't developed diabetes or something. Or perhaps it's just fork and mouth disease! Link to post Share on other sites
GDEvans 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Maybe he sat on the heads, and that was the last they saw of them... Link to post Share on other sites
gavinspier 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Maybe he sat on the heads, and that was the last they saw of them... Yep - I could imagine my Jabsco hiding in there Link to post Share on other sites
Mikie 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Ok - I keep having the Fat Bastard quotes pop into my head.... Steps aboard and says - "First things first - where is your shitter, I've got a turtle head pokin' out!" Then after a look around the nets looks at EB and says "I'm bigger than you and higher on the food chain! Get in my belly" Link to post Share on other sites
Albatros 529 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 multi-millionaire grifter *********** really ? or is this in the same vein as Ernie being a drug dealer ? but at least the mystery of the Swellegant Swiss' initial ass-down aspect can be explained now, as well as the helicopter pix showing a fairly unbalanced cat, that man was inside all along, he probably came to visit during the construction, climbed inside, got blocked, no way to get him out until now ... it can also shed a whole new light on the liquid ballast they will be using if he was inside all that time. Link to post Share on other sites
arr4ws 88 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I wouldn't worry about how he looked as much as I would about his health. Totally agree... losing weight should alway be about health, not looks. Maybe B.J. Porter could give him a hint or two ? Link to post Share on other sites
dacapo 1,363 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. I've heard he is proud of his size. I was visiting with some blokes that did the construction on Numbers, and they said they had to do a mock up of the cabin entrance to make sure he would fit. And then did another one of the shitter to make sure it could hold him. I wouldn't worry about how he looked as much as I would about his health. Do your contacts have the brand details of the heads they used? I can't imagine it is a standard Jabsco Raritan... Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray 50 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 BTW who is ***********? I know he is dirty rich and owns Numbers, but what is his company and how did he make his money? When I Google him I come up with links to a sword swallower - I can't believe that sword swallowing is that lucrative! Part of it was in a company he founded that made a fortune off student college loans in the US. At some point he got booted from the top but then I think re-took it a couple years later. Interesting guy, quite flamboyant too. That should narrow it down for you, plus 'sailing' and 'numbers'. At first I though this pic was shopped but apparently it's real? I hope his heart is strong, that's a lot of body there - wow. Must be a medical condition, yikes. Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,975 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Ok - I keep having the Fat Bastard quotes pop into my head.... Steps aboard and says - "First things first - where is your shitter, I've got a turtle head pokin' out!" Then after a look around the nets looks at EB and says "I'm bigger than you and higher on the food chain! Get in my belly" Fuck that would have been a funnier front page story than mine. "I'm gonna eat yer baby!" Link to post Share on other sites
Starboard 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Ok - I keep having the Fat Bastard quotes pop into my head.... Steps aboard and says - "First things first - where is your shitter, I've got a turtle head pokin' out!" Then after a look around the nets looks at EB and says "I'm bigger than you and higher on the food chain! Get in my belly" Fuck that would have been a funnier front page story than mine. "I'm gonna eat yer baby!" Wow! what a fucking pig. Are you sure he is not American? Link to post Share on other sites
sailrat1 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You guys should get a life. It is great that you are all enthusiastic about sailing and this America's Cup, but don't make personal attacks on someone you have never met! Put you efforts into something that is fun and exciting, get outside and actually go sailing! Link to post Share on other sites
arr4ws 88 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You guys should get a life. It is great that you are all enthusiastic about sailing and this America's Cup, but don't make personal attacks on someone you have never met! Put you efforts into something that is fun and exciting, get outside and actually go sailing! FUCK OFF NOOB! Link to post Share on other sites
sailrat1 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You must be seriously insecure with yourself. Support sailing not bashing. Link to post Share on other sites
arr4ws 88 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You must be seriously insecure with yourself. Support sailing not bashing. no... its just a ''rite of passage'' for you.. fuck off! Link to post Share on other sites
bbl 9 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 What a tasteless thread – Ok I'm from Europe – things seem to be different here .... An nobody of all you experts has ever put a commend on the big design mistake they did on alinghi5, (did you ever notice it?) – I wonder whats worse – beeing fat or beeing blind ... Would you care to elaborate on the design mistake? Link to post Share on other sites
outsider 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 one would think DM could afford a personal trainer or diet of lettuce. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparbuilder 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 An nobody of all you experts has ever put a commend on the big design mistake they did on alinghi5, (did you ever notice it?) The engine? ..... Link to post Share on other sites
Halidon 3 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You guys should get a life. It is great that you are all enthusiastic about sailing and this America's Cup, but don't make personal attacks on someone you have never met! Put you efforts into something that is fun and exciting, get outside and actually go sailing! "Personal attack" ? How is it a "personal attack" to call him fat? He's clearly fat. If we didn't know what he looked like, and called him fat, THAT would be a personal attack. That's like saying it would be a personal attack to call Jessica Alba an attractive woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,578 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Put DM and DC on board together, that way they can be counter weights! Link to post Share on other sites
dacapo 1,363 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 – I wonder whats worse – beeing fat or beeing blind ... being Swiss.................. Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray 50 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Would you care to elaborate on the design mistake? Alinghis wavepiercing nose is constantly at least about 3 feet above the water even when the windward hull is in the air – so they loose length of waterline and consequently the flow of water is not ideal when touching the water with the bottom side of the hull. Maybe I'm wrong but at least thats what I see and what I think about the design. All the rest is pretty impressive .... In the latest video (Alinghi copyrighted but not on AlinghiTV for some reason) it looks much better. You can hear someone comment on it (Ed B maybe) saying how it is using all of its waterline, exactly as it zooms in on the (port side) lee bow. I think it is more a case of loading it up in a breeze than a design problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Tornadosail2012 3 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I think that they have been playing around with the ballast. When they decide to ballast forward of the beam, you will find it riding correctly. This may be just to play around with trim, sailing profile and learning how the boat handles in different setups. Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray 50 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I think it is more a case of loading it up in a breeze than a design problem. I'm not sure – we will see ... And since I'm not half an expert as most of you I will remain silent and watching ... Do you have a link to that video? No argument there and it will likely be an evolution going forward anyway. Here is the comment I was remembering, at about 2:05 into it someone says "It is using all its waterline". Some decent views of it doing the same starts again at 4:00 http://valenciasailing.blogspot.com/2009/0...g-in-genoa.html What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanphj 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 And what do you think the foils are there for with the shape giving an upward lift? This obstination about LWL is just funny... Now try to explain the speed of a foiled Moth using your LWL longer is faster thing... Link to post Share on other sites
jhc 166 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Your "hull speed" formula does not apply. The cz hulls are 15:1, or more. That is length to width. There is no hull speed limitation for a form like that. You will notice in the images and video that the wave train does not form in the way that a wider form would have. The speed limitation for cz hulls are more about distribution of volume, and surface condition. Both water and hull surface. Power and weight are also factors. Bigger motor=faster! Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanphj 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 The hull speed theory applies on a displacement hull, e.g. a monohull, you can through that formula out of the window by the time you plan over the surface or slice through water where you can get 2 to 3 times the speed of wind, I recon that A5 did about 25-28 knots in 8 to 10 TWS, not as fast as BOR but in different conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanphj 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Even with a flying moth the formula counts:_________ √ length [m] x 4,5 = Hullspeed [km/h] That means: The Hullspeed of a flying moth is about 8.2 km/h (4.3 knots) – I doubt that the foils will produce enough lift when the boat is still that slow ... You cant play tricks on physics ... BS, explain this then with your formula.... Link to post Share on other sites
jhc 166 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 The narrow hull is not planning, or planing, it is not limited by a theoretical "hull speed". Link to post Share on other sites
palaimon 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Very interesting discussion in the in fact needless "New ballast solution"-thread, started from BOR-supporters with the intro "new system uses the heft of multi-millionaire grifter Dan Meyer" and a foto of a very round man on the A5-trampolin (look by using the "TOP"- tab on the bottom every post) Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanphj 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 In fact both speed potential (displacement and planning) are so different that for example considering the use of foils, the maximum hull speed does not have to be attained to have the hull starting lifting therefore that "limitation" is a non issue, and the reason of the long bow is more to do with wave piercing and avoiding pitch hole... I still believe that the slightly low stern aspect is about trim and well into the possibility of playing with some of the parameters (been ballast, precise position of the foils, and even position of crew, without to speak of new mast 20 % longer).... Link to post Share on other sites
jhc 166 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 cd cd, You are incorrect. There is no theoretical hull speed for a 15:1 length to beam ratio hull. The narrow hull does not need to be planing to exceed the limit described by any formula. The narrow hull does not have the same wave train. The "hull speed formula" does not apply. There is no image of dz, or cz, planing. The images that show the lee bow out of the water, when the boat is at speed, are explained by: In the case of dz, either a ocean swell has caused bow to lift clear, or the leeward foil is contributing enough lift to alter the trim of the hull, or both. In the case of cz, the leeward foil is acting as a lifting surface. I have not seen an image of cz encountering ocean swell. If you think about it for two seconds, instead of assuming that what you read once about displacement hulls applies to every case, you will find that a hobie 16, which will not plane, will exceed it's calculated "hull speed" every time the sails are sheeted, in little more than a few knots of wind. Try to be open to new ideas. The reason catamarans and trimarans exist at all is: A narrow hull does not have a theoretical "hull speed". Link to post Share on other sites
trucdesign 15 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 cd cd there is a thread intitled Cz trim Link to post Share on other sites
rrsails 0 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 doesnt the huge trampoline cause some lift? even if fat bloke is sat on it? Link to post Share on other sites
amc 99 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 You are so right and we are talking about the same thing – that formula is only counts for a displacement hull. And until the "hullspeed" every hull on the world is a displacement hull. There is no difference if it is 2:1, 15:1 or 30:1. The two goals when designing a boat is: 1) To have maximum hullspeed as long as the boat is slow – thats why todays boats have a vertical stern 2) To keep the amount of energy needed to go past the hullspeed as low as possible. Here hydodynamics, surface, hullshape, weight and so on come into consideration. And concerning this jhc's post about Bigger motor = faster is true. But why should anyone to built a fast boat ignore Point No1? Because that is the speed when you need the extra energy to get your boat planing – and the faster you already are the better ... I'm sorry – my english is not good enough to do better... I hope you understand what I'm trying to say The term hullspeed is unfortunate and what your formula is really finding is the speed, in water, of waves with a wavelength of the given LWL dimension. Link to post Share on other sites
Wandering Geo 64 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 You are so right and we are talking about the same thing – that formula is only counts for a displacement hull. And until the "hullspeed" every hull on the world is a displacement hull. There is no difference if it is 2:1, 15:1 or 30:1. The two goals when designing a boat is: 1) To have maximum hullspeed as long as the boat is slow – thats why todays boats have a vertical stern 2) To keep the amount of energy needed to go past the hullspeed as low as possible. Here hydodynamics, surface, hullshape, weight and so on come into consideration. And concerning this jhc's post about Bigger motor = faster is true. But why should anyone to built a fast boat ignore Point No1? Because that is the speed when you need the extra energy to get your boat planing – and the faster you already are the better ... I'm sorry – my english is not good enough to do better... I hope you understand what I'm trying to say The term hullspeed is unfortunate and what your formula is really finding is the speed, in water, of waves with a wavelength of the given LWL dimension. I think this has all been covered before. Please read this article Clicky by Duncan MacLane (someone who actually knows about this stuff) then comment. Link to post Share on other sites
bcopper 120 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 joke aside... this dude need to do something. How can he sail when he is that fat? He has one of the sexiest boat ever(numbers) but cant lose some weight? i just cant believe alinghi let hem on CZ.... if this dude goes overboard , he is done. Agreed. But at bleast it shows the boat is a lot stronger than some on here seem to think They brought him on board for accelerated stress testing and to calibrate the upper end of the load sensors because the winds have been so light. Link to post Share on other sites
daveboy1990 0 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 There are just so many noobs in this thread.... Fuck off, all of you, Fuck off and show us your/your sisters/your wife's tits! Wheres the old SA welcome? Link to post Share on other sites
gavinspier 0 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 There are just so many noobs in this thread....Fuck off, all of you, Fuck off and show us your/your sisters/your wife's tits! Wheres the old SA welcome? New blood or new identities? Link to post Share on other sites
GDEvans 0 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 There are just so many noobs in this thread....Fuck off, all of you, Fuck off and show us your/your sisters/your wife's tits! Wheres the old SA welcome? Typical Hamble sailor - what a twat! Link to post Share on other sites
Sector9 0 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Alinghi have claimed that they won't be using water ballast, but today's spy photos confirm that they WILL be using a new type of moveable ballast solution perfected just last week. Called "Ballast The Hutt," the new system uses the heft of multi-millionaire grifter *********** to create righting moment as well as to infuse Alinghi with needed capital for the affair. George Lucas is considering legal action against Alinghi... Pics courtesy of Anarchist Boba Fett. Those were the good ol' days! Link to post Share on other sites
Wandering Geo 64 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Those were the good ol' days! Irony? You have seen this thread Sailing Anarchy getting sued for libel and slander CEO Says Sailing Website Smeared Him ?? Link to post Share on other sites
Sector9 0 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 some really groovy ambo chasers. Did someone say I need a bambalance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_habakm5sw Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 123 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 some really groovy ambo chasers. Did someone say I need a bambalance? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=v_habakm5sw Heard that one years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Sector9 0 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Did someone say I need a bambalance? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=v_habakm5sw Heard that one years ago. Me too. But today it was no less funny than the first time I heard it. "Now, who gets the deer - me or the dog?" Link to post Share on other sites
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