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    So we are arguing about $1000! The debate we had at the nationals is that you cannot consider the price of the boat without considering everything you need. When I came into the class, I couldn't buy a boat without a trailer or beach wheels because then I couldn't take it anywhere or launch! And...
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    I've just checked the figures on a new DNA and get to $46,000. I should add that we were looking at the cost of getting into the class so we included a trailer and a set of wheels as anybody getting into the class will need them I am not sure the price of an Exploder, but to be under $40,000 a...
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    WetnWild The cost estimates were done at the nationals amongst a group including those who supply the class. While I admit it was "at the pub", I have since checked the DNA figures and they are correct. A friend has a Nikita on order and I have used the figures he is paying. However, to be...
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    I am not making a prophecy. I am stating what happened last year. The class was incredibly strong. Based on last year's figures and what else is going on, it is at crisis point. Of course, you can bury your head in the sand and ignore it, but I don't think that is going to give the class the...
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    While quoting all the statistics, do you know how many new boats there were in 2013? I think it was 5 or 6. Did you see the turnouts at the major events in Oz, such as the nationals, which was half of the what we were regularly seeing only a couple of years ago. Have you seen that DNA have...
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    Sonofagun I am really interested in your view that the class growing. How is it growing when the builders are screaming that nobody is ordering boats due to the hiatus with the rules? Did you see the turnout figures at the Aussie nationals? Have you spotted how many people in Oz who had boats...
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    If you remove rule 8 in total, you could end up with an 18 foot long "moth" with one centreboard and rudder on the centreline with small floats at max beam. There are all sorts of other issues as well, such as positioning foils on beams and some very weird and dodgy set ups. In addition, you...
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    Weight is the key issue I have been going on about for a while. I find it hard to see this solution weighing less than 3kgs more than a conventional case. As most builders seem to be struggling to make minimum weight at the moment, that suggests builders need to use more exotic construction to...
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    Agreed, it shouldn't be too hard to resolve the structural integrity problems. It just needs 2 lateral bulkheads and 2 longitudinal ones with a little thought to ensure they don't cause a hard spot in the hulls.
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    I believe that Thing 1 is correct, in that when it comes to a vote by the whole class, I don't think there is any chance of any of these rule changes getting passed. However, it needs to be noted that it wouldn't be a vote against foiling but a vote against changing the rules. As has been...
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    The Australian Association will be voting on these proposals at the AGM in a couple of weeks time.IMO, the proposals are a real mess because there are a number of them and the way they are set out. Some of them are a "if this isn't adopted, how about adopting something else", which makes the...
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    While I disagree with Steve on his original comments (based on my years building composite parts) I not only agree with what he writes here but I also think that the whole post by Cat Newbie is out of order and ill informed and very unhelpful to the discussion.
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    Says the Mericat sailor (it was a Mericat, wasn't it) who thinks he's a gun! :P
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    MY concern with foiling A's and even the idea of allowing some to trial the concept is that the impact of foilers would be very different from the impact of the composite masts on the DN's. mast development is one thing. If you want a new mast, you throw the old one out (or sell it to somebody...
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    I was told he is already back in Melbourne and will be training there, if he can borrow a boat! But yes, Glenn will be hard to beat, which is why I said I wouldn't bet against Nathan, rather than betting on him. I also think that Stevie Brewin will also be very hard to beat, for a number of...
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    Scarecrow got there first with the honeycomb answer. Took me so long to write in between work! @AUS Well said. One thing to add. The reason why we will continue to see AC sailors in A's even if they don't foil is that the key is apparent wind sailing. Even without foils, there are very few...
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    Please remember I am talking about prepreg. There are a number of ways you can do it with prepreg, but if you use the right prepreg cloth, It is "self adhesive" which means that there enough resin to form the fillets that bond the cells. In fact, it is also self adhesive with PVC foam as well...
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    Rob Sorry for the late reply. For a number of reasons, I don't actually want to go into detail, because I know that every builder has a different laminate and it can lead to some fairly interesting debates, plus the way I would have built is probably rather different from many and I don't want...
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    I believe that you mix up cost of prepreg, nomex construction with what people want to charge for a boat. While pricing and cost do have some correlation, they don't tell the whole story. We see some big price differences in the class between people using the same types of materials and...
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    I am not offended by the fact you are wrong. I first built boats from pre-preg in 1982, and my business was involved in building sail boats, row shells and canoes. Pre-preg boats my business built competed in 2 different sports at the Olympics, winning medals. Outside of water sports, we also...


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