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Umm…. The U.S. has won so many times I can’t be bothered to count. ABNZ is just a blip on the radar in the history of the cup.

Just because you’re Grant’s personal cock gobbler, doesn’t change the facts.

It is pretty funny that Kiwis are the common denominator on the worst behaved teams in the modern era.

I’m not at work right now so can’t double check, but if I remember correctly, AM only went with a bunch of 350’s and some 400’s.

Aren’t they restricted on the number of foils? It’d be pretty stupid to waste a set on training wheels.

I think you missed the sarcasm. If not winning is how you dominate apparently, he’s right, GB owns it.

There’s not much you can do if the boat’s broken.

But it appears they’re both fully down. They very well may have set them in that position after the knockdown.

Actually, all their cute diagrams from early on show that it was self righting with both foils down. That’s the case with Alinghi.

That’s what I want to know. With sails up, my boat will happily stay pinned on its side. Open 60’s go through self righting tests with the same criteria. They all make it upright. It’s obvious from the pictures Alinghi has both foils down and zero sails up. No fault to them, regardless. This was...

That’s why I was curious. Alinghi went over in the most ideal “just pass the test” configuration possible. Foils down, not a sail in sight.

I didn’t even mean that in a bad way. Just genuinely curious if they can actually self right as “required.” I have no problem with needing a tug to get head to wind.

I’m more interested in if it self-righted. That’s the most ideal situation you’re going to get.

In all honesty, I wouldn’t say it was a bad hire. AM was a new team, and new teams really need experience in the key roles. He probably wasn’t going to be a winning helmsman, but he was a safe choice for a first time team. At least theoretically that made sense right up until Patriot developed...