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I just hope that the 60,000 pounds that the ILCA paid their lawyers for advice on the fundamental rule change was well spent. Maybe they could spend a few hundred pounds and use it to inform the members, who ultimately are the ones who pay their salaries and expenses, what exactly is going on...

I just realised you pussies are going to get all offended over a dissenting voice. Here is a fucking news flash for you, we don't all have to agree. You can hate me and my views and even despise me but guess what ladies, I am not here to seek your respect or applause. I am here for me. We can...

Hey Jimmy lad, I note you are British. Keep voting Labour and Liberal Democrat mate and keep watching your country slide ever further down the toilet. Easier than thinking for yourself at least. Or maybe you are wealthy and immigration has lined your purse hence your support of it. Stand up and...

I am not going into a debate with you jwl. I am aware of the lending practices of Islam and its notions on debt. I am aware of global politics, quite possibly more than you. I am fully aware of the history of the UK and its waves of invaders but you are missing the main point. All the invaders...

Pray tell, how is that in any way racist? Frankly I do not much care what you think my friend. With all due respect, I have lived in suburbs of full on Islamic immigrants and if you have not done that and seen what I have seen you can shut the fuck up. Oh and by the way, I hope that wherever...

With all due respect, Wess is a fucking idiot. Sorry mate but lets face facts, you are. As for the rest of this whole long winded and now life sapping debate, all I have to say is this, blah blah fucking blah. Yeah, it has become bogged down into arguments over legal minutiae. No one fucking...

Just finished reading the law-suit filed by Kirby and without seeing all the attachments relating to the builders agreements, it is not looking that great for ISAF and ILCA. It would appear, as you would expect, that the transfer of ownership every time a builder sold to another party will not...

And that is exactly why Bruce Kirby has called them thieves. They have used a rule change to sidestep him and effectively steal his boat away and make it a generic class like Optimists or 420's as you mentioned earlier.

That is correct. They only ever had the authority to validate the choice, not select a builder.

LPE only own those rights in their region. The aussies have the rights to the Laser trademark etc in their regions. This issue was only ever about LPE. It was business as usual in Australia. No supply issues and they paid all required fees.

Amend it back to what it was originally? The rule that a payment had to be made to Kirby was the one that ILCA was so desperate to remove. The class always had a rule that Kirby be paid to make a boat legal.

Interestingly, at least in the southern hemisphere ILCA and ISAF happily take their cut of the money from all new boats sold. So their position that Bruce Kirby is entitled to nothing seems hypocritical, since they are still profiting themselves from the design and the construction of new...

From the kirbytorch.com website: http://www.kirbytorch.com/news/kirbyresponsetoisafannouncement Pretty disgusting behaviour on the part of ILCA and ISAF. If you are a Laser sailor make the effort to join the Torch class on the following page: http://www.kirbytorch.com/members As I said in...

You are indeed a party to it. When ILCA and ISAF issued plaques with Kirbys signature on them which were applied to boats that had not been paid for you were a party. When you removed all obligations under the rules to pay Kirby anything at all you were a party. Now that you have removed his...

The new plaques will have Bruce Kirbys signature removed from them and will only have approval from ISAF AND ILCA on them. The class members voted 1017 to 122 to remove all traces of Bruce Kirbys name from the constitution and class rule book and to exclude him totally from the Laser class...

Agreed. I am all for builders making a profit and being viable but when builders start to think that they are the class and the people sailing them are just the poor saps who have no choice, something has to give. Hell, when I think about it that ship has long sailed, they think they are the...

Your last point is not without merit but It wont happen of course. If this goes down the legal route, dragging class and sailors along for the ride, it would have to be at least 2 years of stuffing around and irrespective of the time constraints, much confusion and expense for all parties...

Fine Gouv. The whole world council then. Someone has to take the blame for letting this situation degenerate to this point. People just want to go sail and Kirby is trying to put this whole house in order before he dies. We should be on bended knees to this guy who at his age is trying to...

No I don't. Firstly, they are not global and secondly they can not sell boats that ISAF will recognize as an ISAF class and nor is it likely that they will ever be ratified as a class. What Kirby is trying to do will essentially make the Laser name worthless to own. He is betting that the value...

Times are tough out there. Jeff Martin will not go down without a fight. http://www.laserinternational.org/info/brucekirbyincannoucement The ILCA should ratify a new class name and we should quickly move on. The ILCA should not have taken sides against the designer of the very boat that puts...