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Agreed: bring on the Torch !

For all those ILSA members that don't agree with the Response : set a Torch to it !

IC Nutter : Your undestanding is not correct.

IPLore: Kirby built Torch = Laser per CM.

Wess : if ILCA came up with a class ratified proposal to build Kirby designed lasers in accordance to a build / engineering specification of say Gurit, and Gurit had terms that as per an agreement to be payed a fee for each moulding, pursuant to build specification. Would you have an issue with...

Are there any photographs out there of the ISAF Laser plaques with Kirby's name removed ?

BB : near the mark mate, only how does one reverse engineer a "secret specification", in this case the Construction Manual ? Perhaps there are ways to measure the unknown, ILCA seem to have the ability, simply put it to a vote.

ojfd : in any of the documents you have is there mention of who conducts / is responsible for compliance to Construction Manual ?

Maybe I am incredibly dense : but What is more than 20 years ? And what is the logic behind the Laser is not a book ?

ojfd : Are you sure it is ISAF and ILCA that approve builders not Kirby ? They may validate the build of the Laser for compliance, the licience arrangement to build pursuant to the Construction Manual is most certainly Kirby's domain ~ approval.

Yes you are correct, was trying to edit post but would not allow, only delete. You beat me to make the alteration, thanks.

No : some hull geometry ( and appendages) can become the subject of patent application.

I think someone (ICLA / ISAF) have eaten the cake ! They now have to work (pay) it-off.

Can't correct the weird alterations above relating to ( B) and © Yes my error on the decimal point Dogwatch. Have all these above considerations as per ISAF Guidelines been met ?

ISAF : page 10 Entry guidelines ~ 10.3 There shall be an executed agreement between the ISAF Ltd., the Class / Owners Association and where relevant the Trademark, Trade Name and the Copyright Owner. This agreement shall include at a minimum the following matters: (a). Define, if any, the...

Der- Dude Only read what is on the net, I think as posted on SA. As a Laser / Torch owner and in the marine industry I fully support BK. The current front page of SA on the subject is indicative of gross misinformation. Get their bloody act together !

The issue is not about IP. Your cake analogy when pulled into line with the build manual : if you have an agreement with an entity to pay anmout of money for each cake you make pursuant to the recipe they have supplied as outlined in the agreement you are then required to make payment. The...

Dog watch : you clearly have no knowledge on the subject. And yes I am an expert on the subject.

Olympic Class: I don't think the classification of the Torch would be an issue for Olympic sanction, as the Torch design will qualify by Rule measurement criteria. The Finn as an example has far greater latitude in Rule measurement tolerances than the Torch / Laser, and successfully is raced as...

Scarecrow you are probably right with respect Kirby, at least I hope so.