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Given there is so much information on this thread, maybe its a good idea, I wonder if Scot would do it? 

That is a very good question , what do you think?  Maybe 'The Kirby Dinghy - the ongoing saga´  

I started this thread in March 2013, I am appalled we are still talking about Laser copyright, more than six years later, the idea that we need a whole forum on the same subject is depressing, noooooo.

I am amazed and saddened that this thread continues more than six years after I started it.  My question about Santander Worlds 2014 is why did LPE not supply the boats? I remember the Australian did that for the 2011 Worlds. I also remember hearing here in Britain in 2016, over a pint from...

Well at least they are talking, if the report is correct Anyone from ILCA at that meeting?

I think the amount to work done by the builders has been largely unrecognized. I heard that the Australian builder PSA was the main sponsor of the Laser Masters Worlds and the Youth Worlds in Brisbane last year for instance. Yet now they cant build boats because of the ISAF and ILCA plaque...

Generally insurance companies are able to walk away from any situation where people are doing anything they have been warned is illegal. It does seem like a significant personal risk.

Be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the next ILCA meeting. There are some rumours, I´ve heard from the UK scene, that not all the Council believes they have been well served by Jeff Martin One wonders what will happen if the ILCA gets a damages bill they cannot pay? Will the ILCA go...

Have you guys seen the latest on www.kirbytorch.com A serious blowtorch methinks!!

Regardless of their cries of, everything everything we´ve done is to ensure ongoing supply of boats, ISAf AND llCA have it seems stopped Laser production cold. Is there any disagreement that its time ISAF and ILCA sat down with Bruce Kirby and his Incs, whoever they maybe to try and get this...

No conspiracy, just a strong desire to protect the job or the position as you say. Puzzled by Tracy Usher tho.. , had a few beers with him once over here, at a Masters event, he seems intelligent and has a Phd to prove it but he seems to have been suckered by the promised of rivers of gold from...

Gantt/Bruce Thanks for you posting. You´ve reminded me of what I wrote last year and yes its very much the case.. I just don't see evidence of logical thinking in the ILCA. Or alternatively someone who has been a long time in the organisation has been misleading the World Council and continues...

Gantt/Bruce Just found your second analysis dating back to the Fundamental Rule on the SailingForum. Can you please post it here too?

Absolutely agree. If you go back to what BK was saying about the IPR rights, when he was called ILCA fundamental rule briefing notes bullshit, he has been proven right all the way along. How ISAF can possibly explain themselves from this position "On March 25th Legal Counsel for ISAF Jon...

Yes, its interesting, we are a long way away from the US sailing scene here in the UK but has anyone there ever heard of Karaya (Jersy) or Velum active with the Laser brands before this court case. If what Kirby´s attorney alleges is true, (and Pam´s research in the Improper Course blog was...

Look at what just popped up http://www.marinebusiness-world.com/Kirby-files-to-cancel-Laser-Trademark-and-Sunburst-Logo-for-Boats/109354 Another new development in the widening legal dispute between Bruce Kirby, the designer of the world´s best known sailing boat, the Laser dinghy and one of...

Resins vary country to country, even if they are supposed to be identical, so single factory production will ensure uniformity. When I was a kid, I had a fishing reel Made in USA. It was not made in America but in a town in Japan that changed its name to USA, part of their plan to overcome the...

If one factory, with certified materials built to the Kirby LCM I dont believe there would be a quality issue. Over the last four decades a lot has changed in manufacturing. McConaghy built boats out of China are considered to be of very very good quality for instance. Dont imagine for a...

From what has been established Kirby was getting 2% on the boat and zero on the sails, so Wess continuing the line about huge mark ups is just deliberate misinformation. Actually I think one of the major issues facing the Laser class is the building of boats in the wrong places. In 1970...

It seems there IS a dispute about who owns the Laser trademark after all and now the curious matter of BK applying for the Laser trademark might be explained Look at this www.marinebusiness-world.com/Laser-Lawsuit---Challenge-to-Laser-trademark-ownership/109236