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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    yeah, you got me wrong - got no skin in the game at all. I just thought the 55 had been overhyped and misrepresented and that the crew criticisms were probably unfair and were distracting from what seemed to be the real issues. and i was curious why they were being avoided. so, I was just an...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Problem is Marv, with just a handful of posts you have managed to antagonize one of the editors of this site and a well known and very successful designer with many boats to his credit. Not a very good start is it? I agree. It's a bad start, but I shouldn't have started in the first place. My...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Yeah, or troll is fine too. I'd have asked it only once if he'd answered. I'm becoming bored though, so probably won't ask them again.
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    It would surprise me unless the wifi I'm borrowing in a completely different country is somehow routed via Brisbane. Don't worry Clean, I'm not in the industry at all, I was just an observer who was bored and annoyed by the spin and noticed you picked and chose which questions you answer, and...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    This: "Jon told me it was maybe 5-7 seconds between when the gust hit to when the rig was on the deck." On a light day a mast might fall slowly, but in 260 knots or whatever we're up to now in this microburst, moving at speeds between 18-20 but sometimes 7-10 (but averaging 6), it would come...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    What contact have you or the crew had with PJ/GB since the event? Have you put any questions at all to PJ? You have his personal email address, so if not, why not? Ditto for the Designer, hall, etc? Are you asking Chris what sort of glass it was in the pilothouse? Are you asking anybody any...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    No I'm not, you rude idiot. He said Chris had limits on what he could say based on advice, so there are limits on what he will say, which is what my first sentence was reacting to. The point in my post was the questions. Which I've asked Clean before and he evades. And if you think part one...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    So Chris won't say more to you. Have you or your team spoken to GB or its people about this? What do they say? Have they had input on content?
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Agree, but the whole strategy relies upon the GB buyers being so disruptively special that they would never read the forums. It's definitely not their plan to turn up in an anchorage knowing that people on the other boats think they're idiots.
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    I'll say it again: if they were gagged because of legal insurance issues, they would be properly gagged, not selective/pretend gagged. It's been said by people who would know that PJ is talking freely about it to prospective buyers, and to current owners. I wouldn't be surprised if PJ is also...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Evans, I've wondered the same thing. I've asked questions about the design expectations of that structure but they don't get answered. Soma and the other guy who have spoken to the skipper will probably have an idea, and will know whether they were standing in broken glass. Guys, do you know...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    I miss the PJ who posted so profusely at times like this: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=122197&st=0 it's interesting reading such openness about safety, hull flying, and how Chris White's boats were for "mom and pop". At one point he says "Let's hear what you think...
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    Jaybird, - post 754 on this thread, weeks in, and we learn that one engine still ran? Why did they abandon then? - "this was a very unique situation involving a unique boat, the lessons learned are for the few others owners of GB55's, and Gunboat". You serious? Why was it unique? The wind...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    It's just nonsense to say that toxicity has put them off. Any toxicity (and questions like "where's the report you promised"? aren't "toxicity" they are reasonable questions) is entirely predictable if people (i) promise info that they then don't provide; (ii) have their choir boys chime in...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Possible reasons for silence by SA: - fear of being sued: daily life for any publisher, and low risk if reporting in normal responsible styles. Many defences available. This site, with its tone and content being at the very robust end of the scale, and routinely criticising builders...
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    RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

    Clean, I don't know if you're a journalist or not. but I am interested in how you're writing your report. some questions: -Who have you interviewed other than the skipper? Is this just the skipper's account or will it include the sort of questions for GB, Irens, Hall and the owner that people...


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