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Europe might boast the most ILCA members but not necessarily the most lasers. Its a Euro thing that all boat owners join the class association whether they actually race or not. In other places its only those who go to national regattas who get forced to join the association. Most club racers do...

Some speculative predictions from someone not involved emotionally other than appreciating what good 400,000 laser has done for our sport. I can not predict the time scale but I see these steps as the only logical outcome. 1. The rift between builders, trademark holders, the association and...

Is there another option that GS can put Torch labels on some of their std Lasers and sell them all around the world without ISAF stickers? And if these boats become more available and more numerous that LPE boats, will ILCA and WS bend over and accept the fact, and change their rules, just as...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVjFI_70o4c You 4 guys have been arguing crap for over 3 years and but have now been restrained to irrelevant video clips. So here is one which might refer to ILCA or maybe just the US political system in general, all from1974.

Simon, while a lot of people camplain about the cost of doing business in Australia, we still pay double price for software, music and some computer hardware to companies who do not manufacture anything in the country, do not pay any tax in the country and deal with their Australian customers...

To quote Spike Milligan, "Then suddenly nothing happened, but it happened suddenly."

Stop complaining. The Laser and the Hobie are the original international SMOD classes. They were set up by the manufactures to sell product, and running an association and sailing races is a means to that end. They keep control of everything. Giving the sailors limited influence just...

So how long until the $800k gets used up in legal fees and ILCA asks the members for more to continue the fight? Is it three years so far? Funds must be a lot less by now.

In Australia you can not open a bank account without either a person tax file number or some sort of certificate of registration for a company, charity or what most clubs and associations use, non profit sporting association. So all our clubs have some sort of registraion with one of our...

I sold my family's 25 YO laser a few months ago so I no longer have any skin in this silly legal game. This farce of rich guys aguing over things most of us will never fully understand, and them allowing rich lawers to milk money from them over as long a period of time as they can, will never...

My point is that LPE can apparently continue prducing Laser type boats without any agreement with Kirby, ILCA or ISAF, It will not matter if they look like lasers, measure like lasers or are built like Lasers. Ifhe owns the name and logo, the racing sailors will have to change to something else...

The Laser name and trademark have been used for a lot of boats which would not be accepted in Laser racing as we are discussing: Laser SB3, Laser 5000, Laser 3000, Laser 2000, Laser Pico, Laser II, RC Laser, Revel Plastic kit Laser for starters. Found them all on Google Images but SA will not...

Now you three are not arguing this thread is staring to be much more readable. Its also maybe just as believeble.

Too much speculation, argument and crap above for me to be bothered reading it. Regardless of the outcome of the legal action, at a minimum the two builders will not be talking to each other, and the association will be on bad terms with one of them. At worse one builder will no longer build...

I see nothing has happenned in the last few months since I read anything useful here, just the same few people arguing about what they speculate the courts will decide. Its always a long wait while lawyers count dollars.

There could be lots of reasons the Gov was deposed, maybe people decided they could not afford the $100k, maybe they though he was not earning it, maybe they wanted a different style. Not many classes are big enough to have anyone earning any income from the association. Also there is no proof...

Not quite right. The people you name are those who own the production of new lasers. The thousand of lasers and laser sailors out there sailing are the class, not the boats ready to sell. If no more boats are ever built the class will continue on, because people will still sail them. So the...

The builder promoted class model requires continuous growth, like the economy and cancer. Since the economy and the class are no longer growing like cancer, the builders are no longer profitable enough to back the class like it did in the glory days. Like all sailing classes its the members who...

Maybe the time has come where the laser will go into delcline. Most of the people sailing the class seem very satisfied with their old boats and are content with occasional sail upgrades. Sailing numbers are shrinking and along with thetrend so are laser fleets. There are so many second hand...

Bill make sense. The Laser was designed to be as cheap to make as possible. Its still a cheap build and its always going to cost about $6-7K because thats what it costs to build. Even if you get a chinese factory to make boats for the whole world, the freight costs will make up most of the...