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  1. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Why? Scalia did a pretty good job in the Heller opinion. As mentioned, I think the topic argument goes well over that border and into "frivolous" territory. Do you think that the Bill of Rights applies to technology developed after it was written?
  2. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Well, OK, I'll give away the big surprise. The right on which the people here would accept any limitation, no matter how absurd, is the right to keep and bear arms. For example, they won't object to limiting the Bill of Rights to 18th century technology, as shown in this thread. The...
  3. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Why would we want them to own guns? As I explained in the other thread, Now do that CLEAN thing where you pretend you can't figure out what I'm talking about instead of addressing my point.
  4. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    This is the group that said that the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech: John G. Roberts, Jr. Antonin Scalia Anthony M. Kennedy Clarence Thomas Ruth Bader Ginsburg Stephen G. Breyer Samuel A. Alito, Jr. Sonia Sotomayor Elena Kagan I'm interested in which "special interests" captured them...
  5. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    He didn't live long enough to see grabbers say that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to modern tech or he never would have said any such thing. But at least we can both appreciate the propaganda value of endless repetition.
  6. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Is an ax an arm? McDonald’s ‘ax man’ Michael Palacios reveals why he carries hatchet over gun, says he’s not ‘unhinged’ He's facing a weapon charge, so I guess so.
  7. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    U.S. Military Deploys Tasers A 2004 article. Maybe things happen in the world without you being aware of them. I'm glad we can agree that suitable militia weapons like battlefield .22's, stun guns, and AR15's should be the most protected, but lesser weapons are still useful for self defense...
  8. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    I did not think I was asking for so much. In this thread, I'm asking that we apply the Bill of Rights to modern technology. Is that such an unreasonable request? In other threads, I've asked that we acknowledge that militias operate outdoors and that Donald Trump's abuse of power not be...
  9. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    On the thread topic, SCOTUS said it all unanimously. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf Not to mention inconsistent with how every part of the Bill of Rights has always been treated.
  10. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    And we got kicked out of Afghanistan by superior air power? I don't think modern jets are needed to kick us out because the answer is no. Even if they were, proving jets necessary doesn't prove guns unnecessary. Jets don't hold territory. It's another stupid discussion, much like whether the...
  11. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    You came to a thread about whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech and don't want to discuss the question of whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech. You know what is defeating Trump's special master? Legal blatherings. I guess they're sometimes good? I don't see why it's...
  12. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Please make it.
  13. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    OK, obviously I'm misunderstanding you. Try to keep it simple for me, with a yes or no answer. Do you think that the Bill of Rights applies to modern technology or not?
  14. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    So is your answer to my question that we can't really know whether the first amendment applies to radio and TV? I was just having a little fun with Clean, who discussed this and other issues quite a bit before saying he can't continue because I'm not a lawyer. You know, starting something he...
  15. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech, as I said. Philly won't answer, but maybe you will. Do you think the first amendment applies to radio and TV? Note that I did not ask whether a TV is a printing press, because that would be an irrelevant distraction. I already said you're...
  16. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Whether the Bill of Rights applies to the states came up in the Timbs case. Indiana said it did not. The room laughed. They lost unanimously.
  17. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Even the one that stopped the nincomcoup?
  18. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    Are you a lawyer? Do you feel qualified to develop an opinion on whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech? Just want to clarify that before discussing.
  19. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    I forgot to ask whether you've ever been to law school and whether you feel qualified to develop an opinion on whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech?
  20. Pertinacious Tom

    Stun Guns: Dangerous and Unusual?

    But the decision about whether the Bill of Rights applies to modern tech was unanimous and was decided in 2016. You really don't think the first amendment applies to radio and TV, for example? If you're saying that the takeover by industrial titans goes back further, maybe you'll be the first...
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