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  1. martin 'hoff

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    Hot chines on that outdoor jacuzzi...
  2. martin 'hoff

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    Talking smack like that just feeds hateful chatter and... people hear normalized hateful chatter, feel authorized to hate, and hate crime rises. A forum full of "chinese crap" blabber ends up in real world violence against someone. Your caveman references are spot on. And, not to worry. I've...
  3. martin 'hoff

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    Hey, we can agree with sober, clear statements. The world did with apartheid era South Africa, and with segregation era USA. But the xenophobic statements feed the monster of stochastic terrorism: the more people blab "chinese crap", "chinese virus" and that kind of stuff, the more violence you...
  4. martin 'hoff

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    Those two things are similar on one level and fundamentally different on another. You either have the mental clarity to tell the difference, or you don't. That's all. Unfortunately, there's a very real human impact to the inability to tell that difference. People amplify dog whistles because...
  5. martin 'hoff

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    LOL. Ask a biased question, and get a mirror of yourself. It always works. Ask a neutral question instead and learn something about the world. Use a different web browser, computer, or whatever. Use duckduckgo. Be my guest. Good place to leave this conversation.
  6. martin 'hoff

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    Old means not current. Anyone can open an incognito window and google for "chinese brands". 
  7. martin 'hoff

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    Cherry-picking stuff that's a decade old isn't making a strong argument, is it? Top results in google for your question are a lot more enlightening.  Troll is as troll does. Have a good one!
  8. martin 'hoff

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    There's chinese brands out there if you pay attention. On electronics and cellphone, definitely. Not at the top end of the market, except in specific niches. If you get out of USA and EU, you'll see a lot more chinese brands in the mainstream market.  Countries are not unified, they produce...
  9. martin 'hoff

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    There's a lot of bigotry here yeah. There are different stages to industrialization, and also to pollution. We are not too far in time from pollution-heavy pictures of LA and Detroit, and the acid rain years across the USA. And low quality car manufacturers, on US soil yes. But, nothing...
  10. martin 'hoff

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    Ummm. I have _literally_ worked in the factories you are talking about. And I don't share your, um, worldview.
  11. martin 'hoff

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    What's the story with your xenophobia? This is an international forum. I've lived and worked in many places, China one of them. And this forum runs on computers and on the internet, most of the computer hardware is manufactured in China.  Spend your day free of products from China, if you can! 
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