10,000 rooms. Where's the beef?

[MR.CLEAN]

Here's my 2 cents from 'reading between the lines':

SF didn't kiss LE's ass, and despite a great event (maybe not so great for the city), His ego won't let it happen there again.

So he goes shopping.... Chicago dropped out when he wanted his ass kissed; they are used to crookeder guys than him..

He likes SD, and the Politicos like the idea, so they've been fitting their kneepads.

Somewhere in there Bermuda shows up with wads of cash and puckered lips.

Actually, it may have *always* been Bermuda - But he knows this will be an unpopular choice, so...

He keeps demanding more from SD, until they back out, letting him play the 'victim', as he follows the money.

All misdirection to divert us from seeing a great sailing event fall by the wayside.

This is pretty close to what the majority of my AC and team sources have said. Neither Chicago nor San Fran would offer cash.

 

[~Stingray~~]

Your secret sauces may have been drunk again in some undisclosed location where everyone loves Clean, but: There's nothing new in any of that. Read my sig: it has the exact offer that SF put forward, one that most of us wish would have been taken up.

Do you get all upset about other pro sailing venue arrangements too, or only AC? If so, then why?

 

[MR.CLEAN]

A strawman says what?

 

[~Stingray~~]

A strawman says what?

You didn't answer the question.

 

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS]

A strawman says what?

STRAWRAY ?

:lol:

 

[WetHog]

*EDIT*

Just looking for some clarity in regards to SA's official position in regards to AC34.

I know why I jumped off the OR/Uncle Larry bandwagon, why did SA after AC33?

WetHog h34r:

 

[~Stingray~~]

1st SA couldn't be bothered to get one, not one, reporter to represent SA in SF for AC34, now misleading comments on the FP. Clean was in SD when the DoGy was tooling around with the wing drooling over what he saw (like we all would), and SA surely made an effort to cover AC33 in Valencia, in February. So what happened between AC33 and AC34?

I care about the AC and the VOR and that's it, and I come to SA to get news/updates/rumors/gossip on those two events. I get this place is run by a couple people, and those people have opinions that they like to voice, I am fine with that, but it would help to understand when opinions/feelings change.

WetHog h34r:

Right. It would also help if the oh-so-brilliant WE on the FP had the balls to propose better arrangements, better venues, better marketing ideas, and better ways to encourage the success of an event that is about to splurge another several $HundredM's into the top of the sport of sailing.

But they never do. They have no clue, they aren't up to the heavy lifting but instead in a cowardly way just pretend to be smarter, though constant derision. SA coverage of AC34 and AC35 has been ridiculous no matter the angle you view it from. It reflects on those writing all the complete drivel.

'Entertainment Business' my ass, it's simply an ugly freak-show. Let's open that curtain, reveal the real AC Dopes. Let's be honest about how pointless the FP stage actually is.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

Your secret sauces may have been drunk again in some undisclosed location where everyone loves Clean, but: There's nothing new in any of that. Read my sig: it has the exact offer that SF put forward, one that most of us wish would have been taken up.

Do you get all upset about other pro sailing venue arrangements too, or only AC? If so, then why?

Since you are not a racer, I know you don't really know a lot about what we cover, but yes, venue choice is always an important part of any amateur or pro regatta report or review, and can be the most-critiqued aspect of a regatta by the attendees, fans, media, etc, though of course 95% of the sailing media will never say anything negative about anyone.

I'm not a huge fan of the island, but it's a nice enough place, and I'd have a good excuse to see a friend there and go sailfish hunting in his sweet little sport fisher.wouldn't mind Bermuda at all other than what it signals for Larry's intentions. Basically, Bermuda is an admission that the entire 2013 experiment failed; the $100M+ that was spent on all the marketing, broadcast innovation, etc. was a huge waste. In other words, that they believe they simply cannot achieve the goals Larry has expressed at a cost he can stomach; to get a reasonable portion of the American public interested in the AC, to show the world how exciting sailing can be, to use the sport's biggest event to help bring it back from the historic participatory lows that it has been experiencing. Never mind that it was not fate that dictated the failure of the 2013 experiment - it was incompetence, cronyism, and a disturbing level of hubris or naiveté (or both) about how things work in the USA.

Bermuda is a cynical choice that says "We know we can get the big spenders to Bermuda, charge them out the ass for everything, focus our marketing dollars and partner hunting resources on superyacht owners and charterers, Robb Report subscribers, and the kind of sponsors who are barely interested in branding and exposure at all because they only need to bring in a few dozen of their biggest spenders to meet their ROI requirements." The problem is that there simply are not enough rich people in the world to give real electricity and buzz to an event. Without numbers, you don't get major media, and those you get will reinforce the perception of sailing as the whitest, richest, least accessible sport outside of dressage. Or

.

 

[~Stingray~~]

If there was some brilliantly constructive insight in that post, among all the usual we-know-better bashing, then I must have missed it?

Face it: There is some massive problem that you on the FP have with the AC, that you simply can't get your head around to the point that you can even recognize it. Instead, you just pull more ugly shit out of your asses, then fling it.

Seriously, it's not 'Anarchistic' or cool in any other way either. It's just a really stupid look you have going on when it comes to anything AC.

 

[~Stingray~~]

Yes, we are in what's an unfortunately typical hiatus, an early period between Cups when normal people lose interest, many of the remainder get frustrated and anxious, and even die-hards get a little bored. Racing and other developments will hopefully cure a lot, in time.

But that's not what I'm taking the FP to task for. I'm not asking them or anyone to 'carry water' for anyone else, am simply pointing to the very obvious 'smarter than thou' completely baseless clap-trap.

I posted an innocuous link recently about some new branding agency; it got picked up by Sail-World, later by others; and eventually by SA who, instead of calling the person quoted, at the company explicitly named, to get something fun, instead posted some more unfounded vitriol instead. And you have to look at that and go: Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

 

[Editor]

And holding it in dago is smarter than thou?

 

[dogwatch]

If there was some brilliantly constructive insight in that post, among all the usual we-know-better bashing, then I must have missed it?

I thought it was reasonably well expressed, although the idea that anything LE could do would make the AC could convey an impression other than sailing being a rich man's sport is utterly unrealistic.

AFAIK there's nobody at all on SAAC who is based in SD and thinks it would make a good sailing venue for the AC. What does that rare unanimity tell us?

 

[dogwatch]

Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Of course. What's wrong with AC35 is a problem of branding. 100 focus groups, a bit of number-crunching and a nice PowerPoint or two and we'll be back in the land of a dozen challengers and venues throwing suitcases of cash at visiting ACEA dignitaries. How could anyone point and laugh at a re-branding exercise for the AC?

SR, there are three people left on SAAC who still think AC35 is on track and two of those are probably sock-puppets. You are the Hiroo Onoda of the Oracle Racing true faith. Look him up.

 

[DA-WOODY]

Wholey Shit did I pic a bad day to be busy all day

 

[bcopper]

Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Of course. What's wrong with AC35 is a problem of branding. 100 focus groups, a bit of number-crunching and a nice PowerPoint or two and we'll be back in the land of a dozen challengers and venues throwing suitcases of cash at visiting ACEA dignitaries. How could anyone point and laugh at a re-branding exercise for the AC?

SR, there are three people left on SAAC who still think AC35 is on track and two of those are probably sock-puppets. You are the Hiroo Onoda of the Oracle Racing true faith. Look him up.

And their were less than three people that thought at the beginning that AC34 would produce a good series.

How soon we forget when it conveniently supports a biased opinion, venue included.

 

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS]

Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Of course. What's wrong with AC35 is a problem of branding. 100 focus groups, a bit of number-crunching and a nice PowerPoint or two and we'll be back in the land of a dozen challengers and venues throwing suitcases of cash at visiting ACEA dignitaries. How could anyone point and laugh at a re-branding exercise for the AC?

SR, there are three people left on SAAC who still think AC35 is on track and two of those are probably sock-puppets. You are the Hiroo Onoda of the Oracle Racing true faith. Look him up.

And their - there - ? :lol: were less than three people that thought at the beginning that AC34 would produce a good series.and they were right -ggyc cheated -

How soon we forget when it conveniently supports a biased opinion - true- , venue included.

including the ggyc cover up w cayard on the manslaughter of simpson

now SF doesnt want to be corn hole = host city

ggyc is a lost cause but larza bailed them out and coutts is running the ggyc circus now - and doing a great job -right strawray ?

A straw man/ aka spinray=strawray / aka soiler / [aka aholes 1 & 2] is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument-- true

 

[floater]

If there was some brilliantly constructive insight in that post, among all the usual we-know-better bashing, then I must have missed it?

Face it: There is some massive problem that you on the FP have with the AC, that you simply can't get your head around to the point that you can even recognize it. Instead, you just pull more ugly shit out of your asses, then fling it.

Seriously, it's not 'Anarchistic' or cool in any other way either. It's just a really stupid look you have going on when it comes to anything AC.

can't explain the self-defeating chip on the shoulder that the FP carried all through AC34 - no doubt to their everlasting regret. But ACEA's behavior to date is frankly appalling.
For example, do you think TT would shop the venue?

It's just so absurd - one of the worlds wealthiest men grubbing for loose change. In a word - it's simply not sportsmanlike.

Neither RC nor LE appear to be sportsmen. Instead, they are visibly exploiting one of the oldest traditions in sport for personal gain.

But hey - I'm biased - I live here.

 

[bcopper]

Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Of course. What's wrong with AC35 is a problem of branding. 100 focus groups, a bit of number-crunching and a nice PowerPoint or two and we'll be back in the land of a dozen challengers and venues throwing suitcases of cash at visiting ACEA dignitaries. How could anyone point and laugh at a re-branding exercise for the AC?

SR, there are three people left on SAAC who still think AC35 is on track and two of those are probably sock-puppets. You are the Hiroo Onoda of the Oracle Racing true faith. Look him up.

And their - there - ? :lol: were less than three people that thought at the beginning that AC34 would produce a good series.and they were right -ggyc cheated -

How soon we forget when it conveniently supports a biased opinion - true- , venue included.

including the ggyc cover up w cayard on the manslaughter of simpson

now SF doesnt want to be corn hole = host city

ggyc is a lost cause but larza bailed them out and coutts is running the ggyc circus now - and doing a great job -right strawray ?

A straw man/ aka spinray=strawray / aka soiler / [aka aholes 1 & 2] is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument-- true

And you, the first class bozo of all bozo's said the event would never take place, or have you forgotten just how much BS you constantly spew ?

I guess AC34 never happened if you had your head up your ass the whole time :lol:

Any stellar predictions for AC35 Nostradamus ? Anyone going to jail as you predicted so many times before ?

 

[Xlot]

I posted an innocuous link recently about some new branding agency; it got picked up by Sail-World, later by others; and eventually by SA who, instead of calling the person quoted, at the company explicitly named, to get something fun, instead posted some more unfounded vitriol instead. And you have to look at that and go: Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Well, not quite: it seems Italian media's moratorium due to LR's apparent acquiescence is over, and there's this broadside on the Vento&Vele blog - which btw is hosted by Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's largest circulation sports daily

http://ventoevele.gazzetta.it/

I may post a translation later on if I have the time, suffice to say it begins with "A farce called the America's Cup" ..

 

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS]

I posted an innocuous link recently about some new branding agency; it got picked up by Sail-World, later by others; and eventually by SA who, instead of calling the person quoted, at the company explicitly named, to get something fun, instead posted some more unfounded vitriol instead. And you have to look at that and go: Wth is their problem? Nobody else took it that way, it's borderline absurd.

Well, not quite: it seems Italian media's moratorium due to LR's apparent acquiescence is over, and there's this broadside on the Vento&Vele blog - which btw is hosted by Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's largest circulation sports daily

http://ventoevele.gazzetta.it/

I may post a translation later on if I have the time, suffice to say it begins with "A farce called the America's Cup" ..

But the America's Cup is a farce?of Gian Luca Pasini
A farce called the America's Cup. While a handful of autostipendiati is a lot to do these days to claim that the 6 members in the next edition are a great sign for a bright future of the former most important race in the world, in the same hours from the control room of the event 2 out pearls. The first a request for 10,000 nights / free rooms (plus other 7500 half price) to the city of San Diego to host the event. A number, which as to be distributed over two years, is out of range unless you think of "selling" to sponsor those spaces ... creating a carnival traded in pieces, rather than a sporting event. The second pearl (pictured announcement) covers the task given to a New York agency to develop "a new brand strategy." Yes, you read right: the brand America's Cup is to be repositioned according to the holders themselves. Let's recap: a Regatta to be held not know where and do not know when, do not even know who he is and where he wants to go. After having repeated for months which televised the last edition was a little less than a triumph it turns out that no American city believes that triumph and is a candidate to host the next edition. Then we hear Freddy Loof, one of the best sailors in circulation that became part of the team Artemis says more or less: "I'm happy and thrilled. I followed the experience of Artemis in San Francisco and is a great honor for me to be here. " For real? Artemis despite being the representative of the challengers failed to be on the starting line of a race in which he was writing for 2 years. A San Francisco has lost virtually all of the races in which he participated demonstrating an almost unprecedented sgangheratezza organization (the almost unattainable for Mascalzone Latino is the 2000 edition). Now, one of the best sailors in the world as Loof knows everything. But it omits. Why he came to sit at the banquet of the America's Cup farce. Where the meter runs for sailors along with the counter crap that we have to listen.

Luca Bontempelli