SloopJonB
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10 mill$ poweryacht capsize during launch in Anacortes
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kent_island_sailor
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Florida Bay Coasters seem to not capsize at all, but one did sink off of Baltimore light. I have worked with Mr. Benford on another project years ago and he knows his stuff.
Moonduster
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Having made my living in the business since I was 21 years old yachts being built keeps me and my family alive. Simple as that.
And Bernie Madoff made his living selling securities since 1960 ... simple as that ... only he was qualified ...
And Bernie Madoff made his living selling securities since 1960 ... simple as that ... only he was qualified ...
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Wess
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Actually sailed past that boat Kent on our way to our home slip in the Magothy River just off Balt Light. It was the first time I ever saw one of them. Heard later it had sunk. Clearly there is a lot about powerboat/ship design that is not intuitive and I lack an understanding of. I remember wondering as I passed it, how on earth it stayed upright. Then you read the accounts of where they have been with those things and look at the drawing and I just can't align what I see with what those boats have done/where they have been.. and the statement from the designer that they are more stable than the typical commercial fishing vessel. I can only imagine/guess (??) that there is a LOT of HEAVY machinery down low and the materials used in the upper decks are really light.
I mean good grief; just look at the windage of what is above the waterline! I think that if I stuck a sail that size on a hull shape of what they have underwater that I capsize for sure so how do they do it??? :blink:
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I found a web page titled "Pics of the sunk Florida Bay Coaster." See:http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s3/pics-sunk-florida-bay-coaster-4318.html There is some discussion of what caused the accident, as well as pictures that show the underbody.
blackjenner
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My original objection/observation was the argument that a yacht, simply by visiting ports is a stimulus worth mentioning. I found that laughable.
Now, the design and building of such toys (necessary or not -- that's a different argument); I totally get the argument for that. I've envied making a living doing something in the marine industry and I'm happy many of you are able to do that.
That isn't what I saw in the little promo clip I was responding to.
kent_island_sailor
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The Florida Bay Coasters are pretty fat - form stability - and have engines, batteries, tanks, etc. down low while the upper decks are mostly air inside. They are NOT designed for ocean passages from what I know about them. Now if you added one more story and a ton of granite countertops to one..... 
As for sail area, likely no different than one of those motor-yacht things that I always hated docking in a strong breeze with their 2-3 stories of enclosures, 4 foot draft, and dinner-plate sized rudders. Of course I never got one with a bow thruster either
AFAIK the one that sank had a battery get loose and knock a hose off a thru-hull.
As for sail area, likely no different than one of those motor-yacht things that I always hated docking in a strong breeze with their 2-3 stories of enclosures, 4 foot draft, and dinner-plate sized rudders. Of course I never got one with a bow thruster either AFAIK the one that sank had a battery get loose and knock a hose off a thru-hull.
Jose Carumba
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Yep, lots of form stability in those coasters. Think barge like. Well, modified barge. As I understand it they were meant for inshore like in the ICW, rivers, etc.
kent_island_sailor
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My wife REALLY wants one too. I think I could get some cool sailing toys to fit on deck, so win-win Too bad I have no money
Too bad I have no money
SloopJonB
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Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
I don't see contempt for sickeningly vulgar greed and ostentation in there anywhere. Blackjenner said pretty much what I was thinking.
I imagine when a pimp sets his trapline up in a town it's good for the cab companies as well.
Bob Perry
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"simply by visiting ports is a stimulus worth mentioning. I found that laughable."
Donn: I can think of so many tiny towns that are kept alive exclusively by the tourism spending of visiting yachtsmen that would not know where to start listing them. Of course the places I am thinking would not consider yacht $ to be stimulus for their economy. They would consider yacht $ the entire economy!
I can't figure out what Jon is trying to say. Jon: Go read a Jack London story. Write like that for a change. Then even I can understand you. Does the pimp own a yacht?
Donn: I can think of so many tiny towns that are kept alive exclusively by the tourism spending of visiting yachtsmen that would not know where to start listing them. Of course the places I am thinking would not consider yacht $ to be stimulus for their economy. They would consider yacht $ the entire economy!
I can't figure out what Jon is trying to say. Jon: Go read a Jack London story. Write like that for a change. Then even I can understand you. Does the pimp own a yacht?
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blackjenner
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Bob, I guess it is possible that some tiny town somewhere (I'm not mocking you by the way) gains benefit from mega-yachts fueling up, or getting some services in port. I just didn't really buy the argument the way it was offered in that video.
I can see the cruise ships visiting Sitka or Juneau, Alaska as driving some measure of their economy though the spending of the tourists. I get that.
I don't get the argument that the spending of the owner of the Baden (after build) or the recently visiting Vava II (here in Lake Union), really makes that much difference in the local economies.
My own perceptions do come into play here but, the tone I heard (maybe though my own blinders) was that we should thank the rich for visiting our local economies and spending their money. I don't buy that particular argument.
But that discussion goes down a long and winding road of wealth inequality being confused with class envy, economics most people would not agree are relevant, or being misunderstood as being jealous of the rich. I don't know if that kind of discussion would be useful.
I just thought the argument, as presented in *that video*, was pretty preposterous.
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Wess
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Well, you could always get this one!My wife REALLY wants one too. I think I could get some cool sailing toys to fit on deck, so win-win
http://www.trawlerfo...aster-4318.html
Student_Driver
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Not sure what the debate is about. In the video, the guy sitting behind his barn, on a bale of hay in his plaid workman's shirt did not seem like a rightist elitist or a capitalist. Rather, his axe seemed to be that local townspeople should welcome the yachting trade as it supports their jobs. He appeared to be arguing from the position of a beneficiary of such munificence, not the grantor.
Me, I just thought it was interesting and a bit tragic-commical. Tragic, because the sport we love is, indeed, outrageously expensive and comical because it's a 99%'er arguing in favor of yachts.
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Since this discussion doesn't seem to be going to PA anytime soon, I may as well add my two cents here.
I think greater clarity is achieved by separating two separate but related phenomena:
1. Quirks in our financial system allow a few individuals to accrue a fortunes approximately 20,000 times the median household income.
2. Some of these individuals spend immense sums on yachts.
Whether the first should be true,and whether there is a moral issue for the country in allowing it to be true, are complicated questions. However, I think that given that it is true, the second is a good thing. From the standpoint of the common man, the worst thing a billionaire can do with his money is sit on it. Much, much better that he spend it, including spending on investment.
As to the quote above, Disney World is supported by visiting land yachts. Individually, they are not important. Collectively, they are crucial.
kent_island_sailor
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I can point you at towns that live and die on the income from yachts all within a few hours sail of my house. Rock Hall, for one example, would be out of business without yachtie types spending their money and they have never been quite the same since 2008 when gas prices spiked and then afterwards when the big flush handle got pulled.
* yacht as in boat used for pleasure, even if 10 feet long
* yacht as in boat used for pleasure, even if 10 feet long
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Student_Driver
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How about small Atlantic towns like Newport, Sag Harbor, Annapolis which derive significant (>10%?) amounts of their commercial and tourist dollars from yachting related visitors? Each yacht may make a small difference but the flow over time into a town which makes itself yachting friendly is going to grow and benefit locals. The obverse should be true as well. You may not like or approve of the boat owners, the boats, the source of their wealth but you've got to be in favor of having them spend their part of their budget in your town.
I think the guy in the video was specifically referring to all of the displaced workers who lost their jobs right after the sinking and was reacting to the media approbation. He seems to be saying, 'hey, it's a living, back off'.
Having said that, I did read the recent book about the yacht building in the gulf. From the way it's described, people die routinely from long term effects of inhalation of noxious fumes inhaled during yacht construction. That, obviously is heinous.
I think the guy in the video was specifically referring to all of the displaced workers who lost their jobs right after the sinking and was reacting to the media approbation. He seems to be saying, 'hey, it's a living, back off'.
Having said that, I did read the recent book about the yacht building in the gulf. From the way it's described, people die routinely from long term effects of inhalation of noxious fumes inhaled during yacht construction. That, obviously is heinous.
