100kg - what singlehander dinghies to sail?

Foredeck Shuffle

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I call BS . I was going to let it go but it's better for you to know that no one believes you
You know, I apologize for being baited by your bullshit statement.

The point of such a work out is due to multiple shoulder injuries including the rotator cuffs in both shoulders. Most of it from foredeck work on Mumm30's when the afterguard screws up. Over the years a number of injuries attended to with physical therapy I had a bad incident in a gybe that turned into a broach while I had an arm up in the air with the pole. Then after visits with a orthopedic surgeon that wanted to proceed directly to surgery, a lot of physical therapy, some massage therapy, I shopped around and visited an orthopedic surgeon that worked with the Baltimore Orioles. He kept them in their careers, often without surgery. I was given a very long work out (physical therapy) regimen that I was told that when I hit the plateau I had to maintain. When I became tired of maintaining it, come back and see him for surgery.

That was 18 years ago. I have to work out or I go under the knife and even the most recent orthopedic surgeon visit this summer concluded the same, if I stop I have to have surgery. I became lazy this past spring and stopped working out and problems emerged. I went back into therapy and am working out at home but I continued to sail and that made things worse so last week I finally am taking a break from sailing, working out, and only doing physical therapy, massage therapy, and morning, afternoon, and evening stretching routines to loosen up the muscles in the upper arm and shoulders.

Why post this, because you called me out. Here's the key to it. It doesn't mean working out with 50lb dumbells all the time, though I do use up to that size occasionally but never to 200 reps. I have weights in lbs at increments of 10, 15, 20, 25, 35, and 50. When the current therapy is complete and I'm given a green light I'll start with 10lbs at 7 different work out stations (body alignment and direction of travel of the weight). Once 200 reps becomes easy and the muscle burn stops with little recovery time in the following day, up to 15, etc. I never, ever, go above 25lbs and it is honestly rare (usually winter) that I get that high. The 50lbs are for 2 specific stations that simulate trimming and getting onto and off a wire and they never go above 25 reps, total. All of this was given to me by a physical therapist where I used to live in Annapolis who specializes in working with sailors. There are also the crunches, situps, planks, pushups, jumping jacks, and squats, all using no weight, just body resistance. I tried burpees (hell those things are hard) and I want to try them again this winter but I doubt I'll have the will power to keep doing them. I really need to start using my wife's treadmill, I do not get nearly enough cardio since leaving Annapolis.

I'm not claiming to be a he-man here, I don't like gyms or the types that like going to them. This is about keeping my body working and being fit enough to be able to look around while I'm sailing and enjoy it, rather than huffing and puffing and just trying to keep up with the boat.

You, being a Finn sailor, should be very aware of how much being fit, helps, and I would assume you have your own routine.

Feel free to continue being a dick, this is SA after all. You still need a better user handle, the word NAZI was never cool.

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surf nazi

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You know, I apologize for being baited by your bullshit statement.

The point of such a work out is due to multiple shoulder injuries including the rotator cuffs in both shoulders. Most of it from foredeck work on Mumm30's when the afterguard screws up. Over the years a number of injuries attended to with physical therapy I had a bad incident in a gybe that turned into a broach while I had an arm up in the air with the pole. Then after visits with a orthopedic surgeon that wanted to proceed directly to surgery, a lot of physical therapy, some massage therapy, I shopped around and visited an orthopedic surgeon that worked with the Baltimore Orioles. He kept them in their careers, often without surgery. I was given a very long work out (physical therapy) regimen that I was told that when I hit the plateau I had to maintain. When I became tired of maintaining it, come back and see him for surgery.

That was 18 years ago. I have to work out or I go under the knife and even the most recent orthopedic surgeon visit this summer concluded the same, if I stop I have to have surgery. I became lazy this past spring and stopped working out and problems emerged. I went back into therapy and am working out at home but I continued to sail and that made things worse so last week I finally am taking a break from sailing, working out, and only doing physical therapy, massage therapy, and morning, afternoon, and evening stretching routines to loosen up the muscles in the upper arm and shoulders.

Why post this, because you called me out. Here's the key to it. It doesn't mean working out with 50lb dumbells all the time, though I do use up to that size occasionally but never to 200 reps. I have weights in lbs at increments of 10, 15, 20, 25, 35, and 50. When the current therapy is complete and I'm given a green light I'll start with 10lbs at 7 different work out stations (body alignment and direction of travel of the weight). Once 200 reps becomes easy and the muscle burn stops with little recovery time in the following day, up to 15, etc. I never, ever, go above 25lbs and it is honestly rare (usually winter) that I get that high. The 50lbs are for 2 specific stations that simulate trimming and getting onto and off a wire and they never go above 25 reps, total. All of this was given to me by a physical therapist where I used to live in Annapolis who specializes in working with sailors. There are also the crunches, situps, planks, pushups, jumping jacks, and squats, all using no weight, just body resistance. I tried burpees (hell those things are hard) and I want to try them again this winter but I doubt I'll have the will power to keep doing them. I really need to start using my wife's treadmill, I do not get nearly enough cardio since leaving Annapolis.

I'm not claiming to be a he-man here, I don't like gyms or the types that like going to them. This is about keeping my body working and being fit enough to be able to look around while I'm sailing and enjoy it, rather than huffing and puffing and just trying to keep up with the boat.

You, being a Finn sailor, should be very aware of how much being fit, helps, and I would assume you have your own routine.

Feel free to continue being a dick, this is SA after all. You still need a better user handle, the word NAZI was never cool.

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so, if anyone calls BS on your BS they are being a dick ? And you get to decide what words are permissible too ? That figures. My handle was a nickname given to me many years ago by good friends and I'm not changing it because it's on the list of words banned by the woke mob.
 

Xeon

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so, if anyone calls BS on your BS they are being a dick ? And you get to decide what words are permissible too ? That figures. My handle was a nickname given to me many years ago by good friends and I'm not changing it because it's on the list of words banned by the woke mob.
You don’t have to be a woke lefty to find the term objectionable. You only need to be the grandchild of one of the first allied soldiers that entered Belsen . 😕
 

Jono

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Well. the NZ spring and early summer has been a mess. Lots of rain, and fronts coming through. Add in the Rugby World Cup, kids exams, and work etc and the Laser has been parked up. So I got out on Sunday. Rain but a nice 5kn or so. 4 x w/l 2 lap sprint races with 6 Lasers out. All Masters. A couple of us mid 50s through to a 70 something and a 4/2 7/6 sail split. Most had good gear and sail the Nationals and regional regattas. More pressure to the left and more shifts to the right. Plus the tell tales got stuck. So plenty to think about. A great way to avoid the Christmas rush.
 

Jono

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Another weekend to prove why the ILCA will be around a while yet. Not many other dinghies can have both Dad and child use it equally as well.
My 16 year old took the boat for the first time in a couple of months (exams and weather) with the Radial/6 rig. A thunderstorm on the way to the club but it all cleared and a beautiful 5 knot day. I took out a RIB for a bit of observing and coaching. 6 boats - 4 x 6 and 2 x 7. They had great racing with the young fella sailing as consistently as I've ever seen him with a couple of bullets and a 3. The nicest thing was an ex Olympic coach saiing in another fleet came by in the car park after racing and said "he looked like a Laser sailor out there" Proud Dad moment.
Side note - He has been coaching learn to sail Optis this spring. I'm wondering if him observing other kids making every mistake under the sun is helping him think about what not to do in his own sailing? Or is he a typical teenager and got in a good groove yesterday and will be all over the show next time? Whatever it is - all that really matters is he was out sailing.
Side note 2 - club sailors often sail with too much heel. It was interesting to watch and was something we worked on with the sailors during the afternoon.
 

Jono

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Just finished the NZ ILCA Laser Nats. Open and Masters sailed together - about 40 on the start line. My son didn't want to sail.
Missed the first day of 2 races and rushed to get to the 2nd day because of work. I have a new job and had been away for holidays already.
Did fine for the effort I had put in. Generally got to the top mark ok but then watched the 80kg slide past. I weighed 109kg for the regatta. Now it is time to decide whether I want to lose weight, spend more time sailing, or resign myself to be a making up the numbers participant.
 

Rum Monkey

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Just finished the NZ ILCA Laser Nats. Open and Masters sailed together - about 40 on the start line. My son didn't want to sail.
Missed the first day of 2 races and rushed to get to the 2nd day because of work. I have a new job and had been away for holidays already.
Did fine for the effort I had put in. Generally got to the top mark ok but then watched the 80kg slide past. I weighed 109kg for the regatta. Now it is time to decide whether I want to lose weight, spend more time sailing, or resign myself to be a making up the numbers participant.
or get a finn
 

tillerman

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Just finished the NZ ILCA Laser Nats. Open and Masters sailed together - about 40 on the start line. My son didn't want to sail.
Missed the first day of 2 races and rushed to get to the 2nd day because of work. I have a new job and had been away for holidays already.
Did fine for the effort I had put in. Generally got to the top mark ok but then watched the 80kg slide past. I weighed 109kg for the regatta. Now it is time to decide whether I want to lose weight, spend more time sailing, or resign myself to be a making up the numbers participant.
Lose the weight and do as many Laser regattas with your son while he is still interested in doing so. You will only have a few years before he will leave the nest and will never be available to sail with Dad. If you are lucky, in about 30 years you will be able to sail Lasers with your grandkids.
 

RobbieB

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Turning 55 and most likely to buy a Laser, even though I'm 10kg too heavy. I sailed the 2017 World Masters at 99kg so know what I'm in for. I actually gave up the Laser when they went to trapezoid course because I was 90kg even back then.

I know all about the Finn and OK but don't have a lot of time to fiddle and play, or the budget to keep up.

I keep seeing the next big thing being announced but am a bit off the pace as to what works for the big fellas. So what of the Aero, Contender, Musto skiff, RS something etc can cope with 95+ kg? What other classes should I know about? Do any heavyweights sail a Waazp? No UFOs in NZ.

Thanks in advance.
I'm 56 about 6'1" and about 210 lbs, (very little of that is "gut" related, but a tiny bit). A lifelong Laser sailor. Sailed a Finn for the first time a few months back and now MUST have one. Got the Laser and some other items for sale to raise the $$$'s. The Finn is a "proper" boat for us larger folks. Sitting on the rail with your legs DOWN in the cockpit under the straps is so damn comfortable! And the carbon mast can be made for your weight range. I'm telling you the thing sails like a dream. Yes, she'll be a hand full in breeze but I'm ready for some new tricks and I'm not getting any younger.
 

Jono

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Refer original post. Yes I've raced a Finn but $ and fiddling time are limited. Plus my son shares the boat. Plus fleets of 40 on the start line and first beat are far more challenging than fleets of 5-10. Maybe when I turn 60. The kids will be gone and I will be in a new age group for Gold Cup Masters. Thanks Tillerman. Agree totally. But giving up my favourite brew and going low cal is creating some mental anguish.
 

surf nazi

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I'm 56 about 6'1" and about 210 lbs, (very little of that is "gut" related, but a tiny bit). A lifelong Laser sailor. Sailed a Finn for the first time a few months back and now MUST have one. Got the Laser and some other items for sale to raise the $$$'s. The Finn is a "proper" boat for us larger folks. Sitting on the rail with your legs DOWN in the cockpit under the straps is so damn comfortable! And the carbon mast can be made for your weight range. I'm telling you the thing sails like a dream. Yes, she'll be a hand full in breeze but I'm ready for some new tricks and I'm not getting any younger.
Do it now ! started my finn journey in my 50's and only regret is that I didn't start earlier. Just finished my first gold cup and getting ready for the north american masters mar 30-april2 at Buccaneer yacht club on beautiful mobile bay. Perfect time of year to host this regatta usually 12-15 kt seabreeze.
 
Refer original post. Yes I've raced a Finn but $ and fiddling time are limited. Plus my son shares the boat. Plus fleets of 40 on the start line and first beat are far more challenging than fleets of 5-10. Maybe when I turn 60. The kids will be gone and I will be in a new age group for Gold Cup Masters. Thanks Tillerman. Agree totally. But giving up my favourite brew and going low cal is creating some mental anguish.
The part about fiddling time is an advantage to the Finn, almost none really needed. beyond maybe putting a mast block in or out for different conditions there is not too much else to do. Maybe replace a line or 2 or fix dings but that's the same for any boat. I spend no more time fiddling than I would on a Laser.
 




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