110 Anarchy
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Steve Clark
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We call it the Lab of Luxury
SHC
WCB
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Love seeing a new wood 110 coming together! I see this as a future father/sons project
Steve Clark
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Chines rounded and glassed with 300g/m^2 +/-45. After going through a round of long board and bog, we will put a ply of 200g/m^2 glass on @ +/- 45 with a layer of 120 over the top.
I have also determined to recess the keel flange enough to hide the vertical portion of the keel flange. This involves some router thrills.
I am going to pay a fool’s tax for doing a hard squeege of epoxy during the cold part of the year. I didn’t really cure over the weekend, so we are doing electric blankets and milk house heaters for 12 hours and hope that kicks it all the way off.
SHC
I have also determined to recess the keel flange enough to hide the vertical portion of the keel flange. This involves some router thrills.
I am going to pay a fool’s tax for doing a hard squeege of epoxy during the cold part of the year. I didn’t really cure over the weekend, so we are doing electric blankets and milk house heaters for 12 hours and hope that kicks it all the way off.
SHC
Strange question regarding the ply panel joints: Since the 'base' of the 'T's is short, is this joint any stronger than a beveled butt joint? To me it seems like the crossbar of the "T" doesn't add any strength, that most of that crossbar is not adding anything
Steve Clark
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Joints are on top of bulkheads, so it’s OK.
Furthermore there is glass on both sides.
The major benefit of the puzzle joint is maintaining the shape of a multipart panel, and avoiding the inherent hard spots of butt blocks.
In the normal way of things I would agree with you, but there were consequences for how the pieces fit onto sheets of plywood that kind of forced the shorter puzzle joint. Normal length scarpf joints would have meant we needed more sheets. One of many compromises.
The goal of this project is to build a 110 that is desirable, so that the members of the class have a new boat option. I am not trying to build a killer boat because I think that would do more harm than good. On the other hand, no one will build one of these kits if the boat is a dog. Which is pretty unlikely.
SHC
Furthermore there is glass on both sides.
The major benefit of the puzzle joint is maintaining the shape of a multipart panel, and avoiding the inherent hard spots of butt blocks.
In the normal way of things I would agree with you, but there were consequences for how the pieces fit onto sheets of plywood that kind of forced the shorter puzzle joint. Normal length scarpf joints would have meant we needed more sheets. One of many compromises.
The goal of this project is to build a 110 that is desirable, so that the members of the class have a new boat option. I am not trying to build a killer boat because I think that would do more harm than good. On the other hand, no one will build one of these kits if the boat is a dog. Which is pretty unlikely.
SHC
Those joints (too me) just look too decorative instead of strong. A more traditional dovetail joint seems stronger to me, the interlocks are wider. But in the world of CNC cutting one can get creative.
When you say "consequences of fitting onto a sheet of plywood" is that too minimize number of ply sheets used/reduce waste?\
I've watched home builders make long bevels to join sheets together - labor intensive but lots of bonding surface
When you say "consequences of fitting onto a sheet of plywood" is that too minimize number of ply sheets used/reduce waste?\
I've watched home builders make long bevels to join sheets together - labor intensive but lots of bonding surface
WCB
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I like those puzzle joints! I hadn't zoomed in enough to see them before. So cool.
The Q
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Norfolk Punt Owners Association
www.norfolkpunt.org
The Norfolk punt, LOA 22ft, 237sqft of sail, date of origin before 1900.
The main difference is a retractable board not a fixed keel.
When I designed my little boat I'd discounted this hull shape for a keel boat, had I seen the 110 before then , my little keel boat could well have been more like a 110 / punt.
A very interesting set of posts on your build, very similar in build type to my little boat of ply glassed inside and out. Keep it up!!
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Steve Clark
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Punts are cool. I had a chance to visit the Punt Club and sail one in 1987. That was before they took the next steps with a second trapeze and A-sail. My brother in law sailed Swallow as a youth. I am an IC sailor and have a definite affinity for pointy stern boats.Look sort of familiar?Norfolk Punt Owners Association
The Norfolk punt, LOA 22ft, 237sqft of sail, date of origin before 1900.
The main difference is a retractable board not a fixed keel.
When I designed my little boat I'd discounted this hull shape for a keel boat, had I seen the 110 before then , my little keel boat could well have been more like a 110 / punt.
A very interesting set of posts on your build, very similar in build type to my little boat of ply glassed inside and out. Keep it up!!
SHC
Steve Clark
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Yes the puzzle joints are less than optimal because of nesting. They are placed in such a way as to minimize this. I think it’s OK. I guess we will find out in the next 20 years.
I wouldn’t count on puzzle joints in any scenario that didn’t include fiberglass on both sides.
SHC
Steve Clark
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Eli:
I used a craftsman with a power plane. The radius is really not that big a deal. You do it like making a round spar, drawing lines and knocking the corner off. It took a few hours.
Now for something exciting.
We are right side up.
SHC
I used a craftsman with a power plane. The radius is really not that big a deal. You do it like making a round spar, drawing lines and knocking the corner off. It took a few hours.
Now for something exciting.
We are right side up.
SHC
Alan Crawford
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Steve, thanks for making this comment as it shows no one is immune although I am 100+% sure that I am in a much higher fool's tax bracket than you when it comes to boat building....
Thanks for sharing this project!
Dex Sawash
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Chines are timber and sheer clamps are ply?
sam_crocker
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Looks like plywood hull skins and laminated sheer clamp?
Nearly every bit of the boat looks to be plywood. All the floors and stringers are laminated ply as well….
Eloquent in terms of maybe kit boats and perhaps using up scrap, but a lot of end grain to seal and not as strong or light as solid wood?
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Once all the parts are together you will have a fairly sizable I-beam, and much of the end grain will be covered by the sole. While I agree that some solid wood would be nice and offer some advantages, that didn’t fit goals of the exercise.
