Forourselves
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Infotrack, nothing said about her? No outrage at her, no allegations of cheating? Come on guys, be consistent, why don't you call Bouwe Bekking, Stu Bannatyne and Chris Nicholson cheats?
2018 Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race: The Race Committee has lodged a protest against Wild Oats XI
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jack_sparrow
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Doesn't your label of "Greatest Supermaxi" make your boyfriend Max super jealous?....oops.. silly me. sheep don't follow sailing..
Forourselves
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Wow. A sheep joke? Really? The best you could come up with was a sheep joke...amateur.
jack_sparrow
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Sitting behind the 100' pack for the most of the race, any advantage gained, if indeed that intentional RX switch off did occur at times (not entire racetrack unlike WOXI) during the race, realistically even to HC contenders, meant what?
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Forourselves
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Wait, so if you cheat (allegedly)and win, you deserve to be hated, but if you cheat (allegedly) and lose, thats okay?
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jack_sparrow
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Not saying that at all. You first need to explain with reference to the RRS and SI's what InfoTrack can now do, then what anyone else on planet earth are capable of and could be bothered doing. Do that and you may engender a considered response.
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Forourselves
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jack_sparrow
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Simple. Outline your complaint about InfoTrack with some detailed backup (as provided with regard to WOXI by many here) and outline what either InfoTrack or any other party should and can do? Unless you do that you blowing your assertion that InfoTrack cheated out of your arse. Once doing that you may then ponder that you are supporting the premise that WOXI cheated.
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animeproblem
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Now I remember the side of smFcfollrauordurkesrelves that was giving me an itchy ignore button.
Forourselves
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I'm not. I'm saying Infotracks AIS wasn't transmitting either, yet nothing has been said, no allegations of cheating, no outrage, no othing. It seems most of the fake outrage comes from people who are jealous of Wild Oats XI's achievements, or who just don't like Mark Richards.
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This is what can happen when you don't follow the rules.
The very worst outcome for everyone. The winner has been proven to cheat but wins anyway.
The second place lost because they didn't protest as required.
MR would have been better off in the long run being penalised, instead of taking the silverware as a cheat.
paps49
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I'm gutted. I haven't read most of the post result comments so forgive me if I repeat someone else's thoughts.
WOXI was non compliant and they know that to be the case, their skipper admitted this on live TV. Worse still it may well have been deliberate.
Apparently the only reason the protest was ruled invalid was because the IJ believed that the RC only acted because of Black Jacks media comments.
So the RC, the RO, the RSH peeps and Dave Kellet the big shot International rules advisor on the radio vessel did not or would not see for themselves what thousands of people clearly observed right from the race start being WOXI was not transmitting for whatever reason.
If that's self policing you can shove it.
I have no real dog in this fight but for more years than I wish to count the days after Xmas have been devoted to following our countries greatest ocean race along with the Boxing day test match.
Both have now been marred by cheats and I find that a sad reflection of the times we live in. The almighty dollar seems to be the only thing that matters and that's a sad state of affairs.
Time to find a new Xmas tradition me thinks.
WOXI was non compliant and they know that to be the case, their skipper admitted this on live TV. Worse still it may well have been deliberate.
Apparently the only reason the protest was ruled invalid was because the IJ believed that the RC only acted because of Black Jacks media comments.
So the RC, the RO, the RSH peeps and Dave Kellet the big shot International rules advisor on the radio vessel did not or would not see for themselves what thousands of people clearly observed right from the race start being WOXI was not transmitting for whatever reason.
If that's self policing you can shove it.
I have no real dog in this fight but for more years than I wish to count the days after Xmas have been devoted to following our countries greatest ocean race along with the Boxing day test match.
Both have now been marred by cheats and I find that a sad reflection of the times we live in. The almighty dollar seems to be the only thing that matters and that's a sad state of affairs.
Time to find a new Xmas tradition me thinks.
Forourselves
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paps49
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That would be like asking all the Tour de France riders who have ever been 'on the gear' at anytime in their sporting lives, to RAF on the Champs Elysee at the end of the race, for the good of the sport. Won't happen. Ever. Will we watch the Grande Depart next year? Of course!
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Not sure you have seen me on the soapbox here about the obligation that competitors have to call out fouls when they see them, even if they were not directly involved.
But I never expected to see an outcome like this as a result of that not happening. BJ did not uphold the rules as required and everyone in the sport, including WOXI is worse of for it.
I'm not on therapy, you are starting to come around!
Edit: and I too am gutted. This really sucks balls and has brought the sport into disrepute. Must be a 69 call in there somewhere.
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Right, so after the data shows it was not transmitting, he claims it was 'turned on'. Not that it was Transmitting. You will notice that he as been very careful with his words now.
Rain Man
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There hasn't been a hearing on WOXI's lack of AIS transmissions, so saying cheating has been proven is incorrect. In order to prove it, facts have to be found by a protest committee.
Did all the other boats whose AIS didn't transmit cheat too? Why aren't you calling them out? Seems hypocritical to me; though we would like to think that we can hold WOXI to a higher standard given the profile of their program, they still put their foulies on the same way the rest of us do, so unintentional shit can happen to them the same as the other boats who didn't transmit.
They were cheating if they knew they had to transmit AIS and intentionally did not do so. If you believe that to be the case, provide some evidence.
