2021 Sydney to Hobart

Jethrow

Super Anarchist
This is not Alive. Wrong colour and ram came through the starboard hull.
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shaggybaxter

Super Anarchist
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3,043
Australia
Can someone please bring me up to speed in from the last 15 years… 

Isn’t a navigator* a redundant role? Surely it’s just a matter of looking at a screen to see the best calculated path (as it has been for some time) but assume it would be better now. Better models, better use of boat polars, better integration with the boats systems. Even starts… takes all the guess work/ fun out of the sport. 
 

Hence the advantage of modern autopilots… 
The patch of water they're in is moving at 65,000 mph and spinning laterally at 600mph. With lots of fluid dynamics at different layers. 

But nav is easy.

 

paps49

Super Anarchist
8,959
321
Adelaide Australia
I guess the race is in the pocket for Black Jack line honours but they have to finish first to be sure.
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2,5 meter swell with little wind is not my favourite condition, they have to deal with it in the coming night.
Might be decisive.
 
Your first time to Hobart?

This is not Alive. Wrong colour and ram came through the starboard hull.
That is the Stb hull and the correct colour. Reflections can be deceiving.

 

random101

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1,209
5
To the comment re - 2 people for data and one for naviguessing. Like it or not most of these guys have paid services aka a shore team to update and compare the latest models… 

Re Barnie - okay not a fair comment to call him a handbrake as such. But I wouldn’t be disappointed if I couldn’t get him for the cost of an air fair vs regular crew who have done several years on the same boat. 
 

Sure there is value there if a highly inexperienced crew what’s to do a big race - but one person won’t fix that issue. 

 

animeproblem

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1,081
240
Seattle
I completely, utterly and totally agree! How could they not figure that whatever BOM dishes out could not be plugged into a decent kit of software, regardless of the fact that the bureau can only get it right 3 times out of ten with hindsight!?! Yep, nothing ever changes on the fly on the water. These guys are on a good wicket, doing a job that doesn't exist anymore. Lucky I'm a tactician, no AI software can ever be taught how to beautifully screw up and blame it on the Bowman. You're wise beyond your years messiah!
Ya know it's quite late (and snow covered) here in the great PNW but something looks rather purple in this post.

But it could just be my tired old eyes.

 

random101

Super Anarchist
1,209
5
Fair to say 8 out of 10 times you’ll be routed the best course given the top 3 most recent weather models. 
 

You’d have to have some pretty big balls to go inland if all 3 models are telling you to go offshore and that there would be a time difference of 8 hours. 
 

It’s not exactly a dying art. It’s much like chess, the players are still good but AI is just getting that much better. 
 

If I was playing chess to win against some random opponent would I want the top grandmaster or the best AI to tell me what to do. 
 

I know which I’d pick… 

 

paps49

Super Anarchist
8,959
321
Adelaide Australia
Doesn't look to good either. they had to return to Sydney harbour, but didn't sink. (Most important.)
Delamination is a problem with carbon.
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Thanks, within 24 hours a winner might be in sight.
Informative as always shackle.

To the comment re - 2 people for data and one for naviguessing. Like it or not most of these guys have paid services aka a shore team to update and compare the latest models… 

Re Barnie - okay not a fair comment to call him a handbrake as such. But I wouldn’t be disappointed if I couldn’t get him for the cost of an air fair vs regular crew who have done several years on the same boat. 
 

Sure there is value there if a highly inexperienced crew what’s to do a big race - but one person won’t fix that issue. 
Another gem from alt Random.

 

paps49

Super Anarchist
8,959
321
Adelaide Australia
Fair to say 8 out of 10 times you’ll be routed the best course given the top 3 most recent weather models. 
 

You’d have to have some pretty big balls to go inland if all 3 models are telling you to go offshore and that there would be a time difference of 8 hours. 
 

It’s not exactly a dying art. It’s much like chess, the players are still good but AI is just getting that much better. 
 

If I was playing chess to win against some random opponent would I want the top grandmaster or the best AI to tell me what to do. 
 

I know which I’d pick… 
So basically you don't actually don't want to play, you just need to win......

 



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