2021 Sydney to Hobart

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Anarchist
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3rd in div 2. No need to talk me up podcast. How the fuck are you anyway mate?
Doing pretty good Bro, busy with 2 kids who do rowing as a school sport, so no time for sailing. Miss those rum fueled discussions at the Glady Yachto.  Older bloke would make a good mastman. 

 

DickDastardly

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Sometimes it is easier to have 2 navigators, and a data person...

The main navigator is used to make all the crictial desicions at the big moments do the main routing, currents, waves, navigation hazards etc... and while the A navigator is sleeping the B navigator checks everything to make sure there is no major changes, keeps an eye on local weather stations, and watches the data to make sure the yacht is performing. Then you also have another Data person who is more focused on the numbers, logs when there are sail changes, new trimmers/helmsmen etc... normally on wet notes to be added to the data after the race.

and there are some other people holding ropes and yelling stuff too.
If only you had a crew big enough to afford that luxury. Last time I navigated S2H I did all 3 roles. That was a couple of years back. 

 

Recidivist

Super Anarchist
begs the question what kind of retard hires pro’s to sail PHS?
I thought we were interested in encouraging new players into our sport. 

I know of cases where a keen sailor invites someone out for a twilight sail - the invitee loves it, has enough cash to buy a boat but has no idea what to buy. The original invitor introduces the newbie to a pro who the invitor knows.  The pro works with the newbie to establish what sort of boat would suit him best, and guides the newbie through the purchasing process,  

The newbie loves his new boat and the pro sails on the twilights to help the newbie learn.  The newbie gets the competitive urge and decides to upgrade to a racing yacht.  The pro assists in the sale of the learning yacht, and the purchase of a suitable racing yacht.  The pro then ensures the yacht is in proper condition for racing and accompanies the new racing skipper on his learning experience, possibly brining a couple of other pros along as well at the beginning.

Question - why is the pro seen as a greedy cunt in all of this?  Oh, and btw, do you have any idea what the average time for payment is of an invoice in this industry?

In the yacht racing industry in Australia, the ones being screwed most often are the people trying to earn a living as professional sailors, and the ones doing the screwing are most often those standing on the podium, or aspiring to.

 

DickDastardly

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To the comment re - 2 people for data and one for naviguessing. Like it or not most of these guys have paid services aka a shore team to update and compare the latest models…
Not after the start they don’t - that’s outside assistance. 
 

Obtaining, digesting and acting on weather data is one thing, monitoring and acting on  performance data and logging events is another thing altogether. Both are essential during racing in a serious program. 

 

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Will channel7 interrupt their EarlyEarly Am programming to cover the finish? Or will they just show any available highlights on their breakfast show i wonder...?..  

 

aussieinlondon

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random. said:
Pros are those without enough money to buy a boat.  It's more fun just to shaft the owner than to have others shaft you.

BTW anyone else hear the goings on on URM just before the start?  Something about "we have already fucked up the start by not using the Code Zero!" and other things.  Was that Waterhouse?  No harmony and cooperation on that one.
URM commentary was classic .. amazed they left sydney harbour with the crew self destructing 

i wonder if that footage could have been used in a court of law if there had been an incident on URM during the race as it looked like to me the boat crew were not a fit place to do an ocean race .. but i suppose you could have said that of CQS and of wild oats XI one year 

 
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Recidivist

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If only you had a crew big enough to afford that luxury. Last time I navigated S2H I did all 3 roles. That was a couple of years back. 
Well, yeah.  I thought the watch captains had the role of observing what was changing, and waking the navigator when the change became significant.  That's certainly how I approached the role.

Mind you, one year our navigator won the prize for best navigator by producing pretty pictures of where everyone was from the scheds, but refused to  provide any advice as to which way may be best for the rest of the race.  Even inside the harbour, and he was a native Sydneysider.  Nice bloke, but ...

 

aussieinlondon

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I didn't say anyone was stopping boats from training......I said (an stand by the fact) that clubs don't run races in uprange conditions. People don't choose to train in uprange conditions because...they'd rather not...and it's cold...and we might break stuff...and my crew (average age 55) don't really want to....

So my point is...people don't train for the conditions, so it's not surprising that when they're confronted with them, they're underprepared and things fuck up....like mains! (I've seen every kind of main fuck up, even on some supposedly well put together programs....including failure to untie sail gaskets when shaking out a reef...and doesn't that do wonders to a sail!)

Hardly any weekend warrior boats will have deliberately trained for uprange outside of a programmed race...fuck all few...(that's why there's mandated qualifying events) the vast majority rely on Hope....Hoping for an easy run south...or hoping that it'll be ok if it isn't. What we're witnessing is the results of that approach.
is it the potential damage damage and cost that stops crews practicing, or just laziness ?

rock and hard place using new sails to practice if you want they fresh for the race .. nut nothing stopping crews using older sails to practice heavy weather ailing

if money was no option would you order two sets of all sails .. practice with one and then have fresh ones for the race ?

 

Recidivist

Super Anarchist
URM commentary was classic .. amazed they left sydney harbour with the crew self destructing 
There's a $500K backstory to URM, but I'm not going to spill it here.  As I said elsewhere, a very talented crew with fuck all big boat experience (OK, plenty of experience by a few people, but not among the ones who would probably have been tasked with matters like, for example, reefing the main).

 

Tender

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URM commentary was classic .. amazed they left sydney harbour with the crew self destructing 
There must have been lots of boats on the start line with crew that have not sailed together before, and have little training the last months, a bit rusty and not with clear commandolines and responsibilities. 

 

accnick

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To the comment re - 2 people for data and one for naviguessing. Like it or not most of these guys have paid services aka a shore team to update and compare the latest models… 
From the Notice of Race:

7.3 Changes to the Racing Rules of Sailing (a) Add the following to RRS 41: (e) Whilst racing a boat may retrieve data from any page of the race website details of which are provided in the Sailing Instructions, even if that page is not publicly available. During the race a boat shall not contact, or be in contact with, any person or private entity using any medium to receive private meteorological forecasts, tactical advice or information customised for a particular boat or group of boats. A boat may however obtain assistance in the form of any readily available commercial meteorological or hydrographical information regardless of cost.

 



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