2021 Sydney to Hobart
- Thread starter Fintho
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Doing pretty good Bro, busy with 2 kids who do rowing as a school sport, so no time for sailing. Miss those rum fueled discussions at the Glady Yachto. Older bloke would make a good mastman.
DickDastardly
Super Anarchist
If only you had a crew big enough to afford that luxury. Last time I navigated S2H I did all 3 roles. That was a couple of years back.
DickDastardly
Super Anarchist
Upwind is their sweet spot and they don’t move fast enough or slam hard enough to wreck themselves.
Recidivist
Super Anarchist
I thought we were interested in encouraging new players into our sport.
I know of cases where a keen sailor invites someone out for a twilight sail - the invitee loves it, has enough cash to buy a boat but has no idea what to buy. The original invitor introduces the newbie to a pro who the invitor knows. The pro works with the newbie to establish what sort of boat would suit him best, and guides the newbie through the purchasing process,
The newbie loves his new boat and the pro sails on the twilights to help the newbie learn. The newbie gets the competitive urge and decides to upgrade to a racing yacht. The pro assists in the sale of the learning yacht, and the purchase of a suitable racing yacht. The pro then ensures the yacht is in proper condition for racing and accompanies the new racing skipper on his learning experience, possibly brining a couple of other pros along as well at the beginning.
Question - why is the pro seen as a greedy cunt in all of this? Oh, and btw, do you have any idea what the average time for payment is of an invoice in this industry?
In the yacht racing industry in Australia, the ones being screwed most often are the people trying to earn a living as professional sailors, and the ones doing the screwing are most often those standing on the podium, or aspiring to.
DickDastardly
Super Anarchist
Not after the start they don’t - that’s outside assistance.
Obtaining, digesting and acting on weather data is one thing, monitoring and acting on performance data and logging events is another thing altogether. Both are essential during racing in a serious program.
shanghaisailor
Super Anarchist
aussieinlondon
New member
URM commentary was classic .. amazed they left sydney harbour with the crew self destructingrandom. said:
i wonder if that footage could have been used in a court of law if there had been an incident on URM during the race as it looked like to me the boat crew were not a fit place to do an ocean race .. but i suppose you could have said that of CQS and of wild oats XI one year
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Recidivist
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Well, yeah. I thought the watch captains had the role of observing what was changing, and waking the navigator when the change became significant. That's certainly how I approached the role.
Mind you, one year our navigator won the prize for best navigator by producing pretty pictures of where everyone was from the scheds, but refused to provide any advice as to which way may be best for the rest of the race. Even inside the harbour, and he was a native Sydneysider. Nice bloke, but ...
aussieinlondon
New member
is it the potential damage damage and cost that stops crews practicing, or just laziness ?
rock and hard place using new sails to practice if you want they fresh for the race .. nut nothing stopping crews using older sails to practice heavy weather ailing
if money was no option would you order two sets of all sails .. practice with one and then have fresh ones for the race ?
Recidivist
Super Anarchist
There's a $500K backstory to URM, but I'm not going to spill it here. As I said elsewhere, a very talented crew with fuck all big boat experience (OK, plenty of experience by a few people, but not among the ones who would probably have been tasked with matters like, for example, reefing the main).
There must have been lots of boats on the start line with crew that have not sailed together before, and have little training the last months, a bit rusty and not with clear commandolines and responsibilities.
dolphinmaster
Super Anarchist
LIve finish feed anyone?
From the Notice of Race:
7.3 Changes to the Racing Rules of Sailing (a) Add the following to RRS 41: (e) Whilst racing a boat may retrieve data from any page of the race website details of which are provided in the Sailing Instructions, even if that page is not publicly available. During the race a boat shall not contact, or be in contact with, any person or private entity using any medium to receive private meteorological forecasts, tactical advice or information customised for a particular boat or group of boats. A boat may however obtain assistance in the form of any readily available commercial meteorological or hydrographical information regardless of cost.
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dolphinmaster
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Now I see, 3 knts and 4.5 miles for BJ, penny pinchers don't want the chopper in the air longer than 30 mins.
