2022 Sydney To Hobart

[PIL66 - XL2]

Thanks. They have a couple of close matches but to buy owner would rather get a laminate / membrane one made to fit. We borrowed one off a FARR44 but that was a touch too big, so cruiser racer 40’r or 35’r race boat dimensions.

Roughly
Luff 12-14m
Leech 10-12m
Foot 3-3.5m

I have a No. 2 north carbon Jib that is roughly that size you can borrow

Awesome job @Stanno ... kids will remember this forever.... which gives me an idea..... why don't the CYC in conjunction with Australian Sailing have an open house day / arvo / night at the CYC for all Australian sailing club members to walk the docks and chat or view the boats with a team rep ...? We are all struggling to get new young sailors to the sport and this could help..... just a thought

 

[The Dark Knight]

I have a No. 2 north carbon Jib that is roughly that size you can borough

Awesome job @Stanno ... kids will remember this forever.... which gives me an idea..... why don't the CYC in conjunction with Australian Sailing have one open house day / arvo / night at the CYC for all australian sailing club members to walk the docks and chat or view the boats with a team rep ...? We are all struggling to get new young sailors to the sport and this could help..... just a thought

Why would AS want to do that when they are actively encouraging short handed racing through the implementation of mandatory sail passes? 🤪

 

[PIL66 - XL2]

Why would AS want to do that when they are actively encouraging short handed racing through the implementation of mandatory sail passes? 🤪

What's wrong with Sail Pass...?

 

[Rotnest Express]

What's wrong with Sail Pass...?

Probably not a lot if you want to stifle any positive growth of our sport by putting major bureaucratic hurdles and disincentives in the way.

 

[mccroc]

What's wrong with Sail Pass...?

I hope you're joking! Have a look in the Australian Sailing topic in Sailing Anarchy. Not many supporters here.

 

[The Dark Knight]

What's wrong with Sail Pass...?

Sail pass is ok as a way to universally advertise to non sailors that they are welcome to come to a club to try sailing.

Forcing yacht owners to effectively charge or pay for family, friends, colleagues and acquaintances to race with them is a disgraceful policy.

It’s all about boosting paper numbers for When AS goes cap in hand for government money.

 

[terrafirma]

Just came across this.! Some legends there. Sorry it's so long but IMO it deserves the mention.!

The list of 'Hobart Heroes' up to and including 2018 Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race is:

• Tony Cable (NSW) - 53 since 1961 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Tony Ellis (NSW) - 52 since 1963 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Colin Wildman (NSW) - 51 since 1963 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Bill Ratcliff (NSW) - 50 since 1963
• Syd Fischer (NSW) - 47 since 1962 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Bruce Gould (NSW) - 46 since 1963 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Lindsay May (NSW) - 46 since 1973 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• David Kellett (NSW) - 46 since 1968 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• John 'The Fish' Bennetto (TAS, dec) - 44 since 1947 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Lou Abrahams (VIC, dec) - 44 since 1963 (2 overall wins)
• Michael Spies (NSW) - 43 since 1976 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Mike Green (NSW) - 41 since 1977 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Richard 'Sightie' Hammond (NSW, dec) - 40 since 1952 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Bernie Case (VIC) - 40 since 1962 (1 line honours)
• Roger Hickman (NSW, dec) - 39 since 1974 - (3 overall wins)
• Bruce Taylor (VIC) - 39 since 1980
• Ed Psaltis (NSW) - 38 since 1979 (1 overall win)
• Kingsley Piesse (VIC) - 37 since 1983
• Ralph Carlier (NSW) - 36 since 1973
• Colin Tipney (NSW) - 36 since 1979 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Jack Goluzd (NSW) - 36 since 1978 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Phil Eadie (NSW) - 35 since 1972 (3 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Peter Green (NSW, dec) - 35 races since 1947 (1 overall win)
• Richard Norman (NSW) - 35 since 1955 (2 overall wins)
• Fraser Johnston (NSW) - 35 since 1963 (2 overall wins)
• Tony Kirby (NSW) - 35 since 1983
• Robert Case (NSW) - 35 since 1985 (1 overall win)
• Colin Betts (NSW) - 34 since 1955 (3 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Don Mickleborough (NSW, dec) - 34 since 1958 (1 line honours)
• Colin Anderson (VIC) - 34 since 1973 (2 overall wins)
• Kim Jaggar (NSW) - 34 since 1977
• Carl Crafoord (NSW) - 34 since 1980 (4 overall wins)
• Larry Jamieson (NSW) - 34 since 1983 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• David Lawson (NSW, dec) - 33 since 1961 (1 line honours)
• Geoff Rouvray (NSW) - 33 since 1967
• Roger Howlett (TAS) - 33 since 1969
• Tony Hearder (NSW) - 33 since 1975 (3 line honours)
• John Woodford (NSW) - 33 since 1979 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Noel Drennan - 33 since 1980 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Gavin Gourlay (VIC) - 33 since 1984
• Adam Brown (NSW) - 33 since 1985 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• James Permezel - 33 since 1985
• Peter Fletcher (VIC) - 33 since 1987
• Don Lang (VIC, dec) - 32 races since 1952 (1 overall win)
• Maurice Cameron (NSW) - 32 since 1974
• Steve Jarvin (NSW) - 31 since 1981 (2 overall wins, 14 line honours)
• Ian (Barney) Walker (VIC) - 32 since 1983 (3 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Damian Parkes (NSW) - 32 since 1976 (1 line honours)
• Peter Inchbold (NSW) - 32 since 1980 (1 overall win)
• Alby Burgin (NSW, dec) - 31 since 1955 (1 overall win)
• Peter Shipway (NSW) - 31 since 1968 (2 overall wins, 5 line honours)
• John Harris (NSW) - 31 since 1971 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Michael Coxon (NSW) - 31 since 1979 (1 overall win, 5 line honours)
• Bill Sykes - 31 since 1981 (1 overall win)
• Julian Freeman - 31 since 1982 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• David Blanchfield - 31 since 1985 (1 overall win)
• Max Crafoord (NSW, dec) - 30 races since 1953 (3 line honours)
• Albert Mitchell (NSW) - 30 since 1954 (2 overall wins)
• Peter Kurts (NSW, dec) - 30 races since 1964 (2 overall wins)
• Magnus Halvorsen (NSW, dec) - 30 since 1946 (5 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Lester Nibbs (TAS) - 30 since 1960
• Rod Jackman (TAS) - 30 since 1971
• Geoff Barter (NSW) - 30 since 1974
• Robbie Burns (NSW) - 30 since 1974 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Ian Potter (NSW) - 30 since 1976 (1 line honours)
• David Ellis (NSW) - 30 since 1977 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Peter Messenger (NSW) - 30 since 1980 (4 overall wins)
• Matt Allen (NSW) - 30 since 1980 (3 overall wins)
• Richard Grimes - 30 since 1983
• Bruce Jackson (NSW) - 29 since 1952
• John Solomon (TAS) - 29 since 1967
• Peter Duffield (NSW) - 29 since 1968
• Graeme Fraser (NSW, dec) - 29 since 1973
• Phil Molony - 29 since 1975
• Greg Prescott (TAS) - 29 since 1980
• Hugh Brodie (NSW) - 29 since 1982 (1 overall win)
• Sean Langman (NSW) - 29 since 1982
• Robert Moore (NSW) - 29 since 1985
• Sven Runow (NSW) - 29 since 1985 (4 overall wins, 8 line honours)
• Erik Adriaanse - 29 since 1986 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Steve Grellis - 29 since 1987
• Bill Thompson (NSW, dec) - 28 since 1956 (2 line honours)
• Hugh Treharne (NSW) - 28 since 1968 (2 overall wins)
• Bob Fraser (NSW) - 28 since 1973 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Michael Bellingham - 28 since 1976 (1 overall win)
• Ian Davis - 28 since 1977 (2 overall wins)
• Greg Johnson (NSW) - 28 since 1980 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• David Hodgson (NSW) - 28 since 1981 (5 line honours)
• Adrienne Cahalan (NSW) - 28 since 1984 (2 overall wins, 6 line honours)
• Bruce Clarke (NSW) - 28 since 1986 (2 overall wins, 4 line honours)
• Andrew Taylor - 28 since 1986
• Peter Sheldrick - 28 since 1987 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Bob Thomas - 28 since 1988 (1 overall win)
• Brad Kellett (NSW) - 28 since 1992 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Stan Darling (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1947 (5 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Des O'Connell (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1947
• Rolfe Mische (NSW, dec) - 27 races since 1963 (1 line honours)
• Mike Hesse (NSW) - 27 since 1965 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Josko Grubic (SA, dec) - 27 since 1966
• Peter Joubert (VIC, dec) - 27 since 1968
• Richard Bearman (NSW) - 27 since 1969
• John Mooney (VIC) - 27 since 1969
• Graeme Freeman (TAS/NSW, dec) - 27 since 1970 (4 line honours)
• Simon Firth (TAS) - 27 since 1973 (1 overall win)
• Lew Carter (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1973
• Michael Formosa (NSW) - 27 since 1981
• Jeremy Rae - 27 since 1992 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Alan Butler (VIC, dec) - 26 since 1946 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Warren Anderson (NSW) - 26 since 1970
• Jim Dunstan (NSW) - 26 since 1972 (1 overall win)
• Bill Watson (TAS, dec) - 26 since 1973 (3 line honours)
• Colin O'Connor - 26 since 1974
• John Williams - 26 since 1975
• Iain Murray (NSW) - 26 since 1977 (3 overall wins, 9 line honours)
• Peter Hopkins (TAS) - 26 since 1982
• Grant Wharrington (VIC) - 27 since 1982 (1 line honours)
• Darren Senogles (NSW) - 26 since 1987 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• John Whitfeld - 26 since 1990 (1 overall win)
• Jim Nixon - 26 since 1992
• Sam Hunt (NSW) - 26 since 1993 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Russell Evans (VIC, dec) - 25 since 1958
• Robert Green (VIC) - 25 since 1965
• Ian Treharne (NSW) - 25 since 1967
• Toby Richardson (TAS) - 25 since 1973 (3 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• George Snow (NSW) - 25 since 1975 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Graeme Ainley - 25 since 1975
• Hugo van Kretschmar (NSW) - 25 since 1976 (3 line honours)
• Bill Riley (NSW) - 25 since 1976
• Tony Poole (NSW) - 25 since 1977
• Hugh O'Neill (NSW) - 25 since 1981
• John Walker (NSW, dec) - 25 since 1981
• Robbie Naismith - 25 since 1984 (2 overall wins, 12 line honours)
• Jim Holley (NSW, dec) - 25 since 1986
• Matt Shillingtpn - 25 since 1989 (2 overall wins, 9 line honours)

 

[duncan (the other one)]

Just came across this.! Some legends there. Sorry it's so long but IMO it deserves the mention.!

The list of 'Hobart Heroes' up to and including 2018 Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race is:

• Tony Cable (NSW) - 53 since 1961 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Tony Ellis (NSW) - 52 since 1963 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Colin Wildman (NSW) - 51 since 1963 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Bill Ratcliff (NSW) - 50 since 1963
• Syd Fischer (NSW) - 47 since 1962 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Bruce Gould (NSW) - 46 since 1963 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Lindsay May (NSW) - 46 since 1973 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• David Kellett (NSW) - 46 since 1968 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• John 'The Fish' Bennetto (TAS, dec) - 44 since 1947 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Lou Abrahams (VIC, dec) - 44 since 1963 (2 overall wins)
• Michael Spies (NSW) - 43 since 1976 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Mike Green (NSW) - 41 since 1977 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Richard 'Sightie' Hammond (NSW, dec) - 40 since 1952 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Bernie Case (VIC) - 40 since 1962 (1 line honours)
• Roger Hickman (NSW, dec) - 39 since 1974 - (3 overall wins)
• Bruce Taylor (VIC) - 39 since 1980
• Ed Psaltis (NSW) - 38 since 1979 (1 overall win)
• Kingsley Piesse (VIC) - 37 since 1983
• Ralph Carlier (NSW) - 36 since 1973
• Colin Tipney (NSW) - 36 since 1979 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Jack Goluzd (NSW) - 36 since 1978 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Phil Eadie (NSW) - 35 since 1972 (3 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Peter Green (NSW, dec) - 35 races since 1947 (1 overall win)
• Richard Norman (NSW) - 35 since 1955 (2 overall wins)
• Fraser Johnston (NSW) - 35 since 1963 (2 overall wins)
• Tony Kirby (NSW) - 35 since 1983
• Robert Case (NSW) - 35 since 1985 (1 overall win)
• Colin Betts (NSW) - 34 since 1955 (3 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Don Mickleborough (NSW, dec) - 34 since 1958 (1 line honours)
• Colin Anderson (VIC) - 34 since 1973 (2 overall wins)
• Kim Jaggar (NSW) - 34 since 1977
• Carl Crafoord (NSW) - 34 since 1980 (4 overall wins)
• Larry Jamieson (NSW) - 34 since 1983 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• David Lawson (NSW, dec) - 33 since 1961 (1 line honours)
• Geoff Rouvray (NSW) - 33 since 1967
• Roger Howlett (TAS) - 33 since 1969
• Tony Hearder (NSW) - 33 since 1975 (3 line honours)
• John Woodford (NSW) - 33 since 1979 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Noel Drennan - 33 since 1980 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Gavin Gourlay (VIC) - 33 since 1984
• Adam Brown (NSW) - 33 since 1985 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• James Permezel - 33 since 1985
• Peter Fletcher (VIC) - 33 since 1987
• Don Lang (VIC, dec) - 32 races since 1952 (1 overall win)
• Maurice Cameron (NSW) - 32 since 1974
• Steve Jarvin (NSW) - 31 since 1981 (2 overall wins, 14 line honours)
• Ian (Barney) Walker (VIC) - 32 since 1983 (3 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Damian Parkes (NSW) - 32 since 1976 (1 line honours)
• Peter Inchbold (NSW) - 32 since 1980 (1 overall win)
• Alby Burgin (NSW, dec) - 31 since 1955 (1 overall win)
• Peter Shipway (NSW) - 31 since 1968 (2 overall wins, 5 line honours)
• John Harris (NSW) - 31 since 1971 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Michael Coxon (NSW) - 31 since 1979 (1 overall win, 5 line honours)
• Bill Sykes - 31 since 1981 (1 overall win)
• Julian Freeman - 31 since 1982 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• David Blanchfield - 31 since 1985 (1 overall win)
• Max Crafoord (NSW, dec) - 30 races since 1953 (3 line honours)
• Albert Mitchell (NSW) - 30 since 1954 (2 overall wins)
• Peter Kurts (NSW, dec) - 30 races since 1964 (2 overall wins)
• Magnus Halvorsen (NSW, dec) - 30 since 1946 (5 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Lester Nibbs (TAS) - 30 since 1960
• Rod Jackman (TAS) - 30 since 1971
• Geoff Barter (NSW) - 30 since 1974
• Robbie Burns (NSW) - 30 since 1974 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Ian Potter (NSW) - 30 since 1976 (1 line honours)
• David Ellis (NSW) - 30 since 1977 (2 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• Peter Messenger (NSW) - 30 since 1980 (4 overall wins)
• Matt Allen (NSW) - 30 since 1980 (3 overall wins)
• Richard Grimes - 30 since 1983
• Bruce Jackson (NSW) - 29 since 1952
• John Solomon (TAS) - 29 since 1967
• Peter Duffield (NSW) - 29 since 1968
• Graeme Fraser (NSW, dec) - 29 since 1973
• Phil Molony - 29 since 1975
• Greg Prescott (TAS) - 29 since 1980
• Hugh Brodie (NSW) - 29 since 1982 (1 overall win)
• Sean Langman (NSW) - 29 since 1982
• Robert Moore (NSW) - 29 since 1985
• Sven Runow (NSW) - 29 since 1985 (4 overall wins, 8 line honours)
• Erik Adriaanse - 29 since 1986 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Steve Grellis - 29 since 1987
• Bill Thompson (NSW, dec) - 28 since 1956 (2 line honours)
• Hugh Treharne (NSW) - 28 since 1968 (2 overall wins)
• Bob Fraser (NSW) - 28 since 1973 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Michael Bellingham - 28 since 1976 (1 overall win)
• Ian Davis - 28 since 1977 (2 overall wins)
• Greg Johnson (NSW) - 28 since 1980 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• David Hodgson (NSW) - 28 since 1981 (5 line honours)
• Adrienne Cahalan (NSW) - 28 since 1984 (2 overall wins, 6 line honours)
• Bruce Clarke (NSW) - 28 since 1986 (2 overall wins, 4 line honours)
• Andrew Taylor - 28 since 1986
• Peter Sheldrick - 28 since 1987 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Bob Thomas - 28 since 1988 (1 overall win)
• Brad Kellett (NSW) - 28 since 1992 (1 overall win, 1 line honours)
• Stan Darling (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1947 (5 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• Des O'Connell (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1947
• Rolfe Mische (NSW, dec) - 27 races since 1963 (1 line honours)
• Mike Hesse (NSW) - 27 since 1965 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Josko Grubic (SA, dec) - 27 since 1966
• Peter Joubert (VIC, dec) - 27 since 1968
• Richard Bearman (NSW) - 27 since 1969
• John Mooney (VIC) - 27 since 1969
• Graeme Freeman (TAS/NSW, dec) - 27 since 1970 (4 line honours)
• Simon Firth (TAS) - 27 since 1973 (1 overall win)
• Lew Carter (NSW, dec) - 27 since 1973
• Michael Formosa (NSW) - 27 since 1981
• Jeremy Rae - 27 since 1992 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Alan Butler (VIC, dec) - 26 since 1946 (3 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Warren Anderson (NSW) - 26 since 1970
• Jim Dunstan (NSW) - 26 since 1972 (1 overall win)
• Bill Watson (TAS, dec) - 26 since 1973 (3 line honours)
• Colin O'Connor - 26 since 1974
• John Williams - 26 since 1975
• Iain Murray (NSW) - 26 since 1977 (3 overall wins, 9 line honours)
• Peter Hopkins (TAS) - 26 since 1982
• Grant Wharrington (VIC) - 27 since 1982 (1 line honours)
• Darren Senogles (NSW) - 26 since 1987 (2 overall wins, 2 line honours)
• John Whitfeld - 26 since 1990 (1 overall win)
• Jim Nixon - 26 since 1992
• Sam Hunt (NSW) - 26 since 1993 (2 overall wins, 1 line honours)
• Russell Evans (VIC, dec) - 25 since 1958
• Robert Green (VIC) - 25 since 1965
• Ian Treharne (NSW) - 25 since 1967
• Toby Richardson (TAS) - 25 since 1973 (3 overall wins, 3 line honours)
• George Snow (NSW) - 25 since 1975 (1 overall win, 2 line honours)
• Graeme Ainley - 25 since 1975
• Hugo van Kretschmar (NSW) - 25 since 1976 (3 line honours)
• Bill Riley (NSW) - 25 since 1976
• Tony Poole (NSW) - 25 since 1977
• Hugh O'Neill (NSW) - 25 since 1981
• John Walker (NSW, dec) - 25 since 1981
• Robbie Naismith - 25 since 1984 (2 overall wins, 12 line honours)
• Jim Holley (NSW, dec) - 25 since 1986
• Matt Shillingtpn - 25 since 1989 (2 overall wins, 9 line honours)

That's the list from 2018.. not sure where the latest is available.

 

[TUBBY]

Done at least 1 with 4 of the top 10!

There are some great blokes on that list.

Also done at least one with 3 of the ladies on the 10 Hobart list (& doing her 10th with a new entry on to the list this year).

Good sailors (& partiers all).

 

[Jono]

Crew lists are up on the site.
Interesting to see who is on what this year. Looks like Alive has had a bit of a generation change.

 

[PIL66 - XL2]

Sail pass is ok as a way to universally advertise to non sailors that they are welcome to come to a club to try sailing.

Forcing yacht owners to effectively charge or pay for family, friends, colleagues and acquaintances to race with them is a disgraceful policy.

It’s all about boosting paper numbers for When AS goes cap in hand for government money.

I don't know the ins and outs but for us at Cronulla it works.....
Too many owners were letting crew sail for way too long as a guest with no membership meaning no insurance (THAT word).
Now we have "On Board" so all boats need to declare crew for the race with their contacts in case of an incident, which unfortunately happens from time to time.
If a person sails more than 3 times they need to join our club which automatically gives them SA membership.... which for us works. Sail pass is free allowing newbies to try (3 Times) before they buy.
Do i think SA could do more for the money for the individual sailor, yes but they are very helpful and good value to us at club level helping with training and advice in all aspects of running our club.

@terrafirma thanks for the list.... I'd say Mothy and Magnus H get the chocolates

 

[Weyalan]

Too many owners were letting crew sail for way too long as a guest with no membership meaning no insurance (THAT word).

Pretty sure that those too many owners all had insurance...

 

[mccroc]

Pretty sure that those too many owners all had insurance...

and that the AS Insurance is not only shit, but is also activated after any other insurance. So if you have Income Protection or Trauma Insurance you won't get anything from AS

AS use the Insurance aspect as though it is an issue. I can only remember one incident that led to a personal injury claim in 22 years. Obviously there have been more, but someone seriously injured needing long term care will still have to sue for the owner's third party insurance.

My main issues are firstly, Australia is the only country in the world to have this Rule 46 prescription. Secondly as an owner I want to be able to take out whomever i like, whenever i like without having to either pay a fee, or even if free, give my crew's details to an organisation that most likely does not have a strong Privacy policy. Thirdly, AS is only doing this for one reason. The more "competitors" in the sport of sailing, the more money they get from the Government - for the Olympics. They don't need the income from SailPass - they want the increasing number to get money for something that 99% of sailors are not involved with. It is a con, nothing less.

 

[The Dark Knight]

I don't know the ins and outs but for us at Cronulla it works.....
Too many owners were letting crew sail for way too long as a guest with no membership meaning no insurance (THAT word).
Now we have "On Board" so all boats need to declare crew for the race with their contacts in case of an incident, which unfortunately happens from time to time.
If a person sails more than 3 times they need to join our club which automatically gives them SA membership.... which for us works. Sail pass is free allowing newbies to try (3 Times) before they buy.
Do i think SA could do more for the money for the individual sailor, yes but they are very helpful and good value to us at club level helping with training and advice in all aspects of running our club.

@terrafirma thanks for the list.... I'd say Mothy and Magnus H get the chocolates

check out this thread https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/australian-sailing.211153/

 

[sunseeker]

I don't know the ins and outs but for us at Cronulla it works.....
Too many owners were letting crew sail for way too long as a guest with no membership meaning no insurance (THAT word).
Now we have "On Board" so all boats need to declare crew for the race with their contacts in case of an incident, which unfortunately happens from time to time.
If a person sails more than 3 times they need to join our club which automatically gives them SA membership.... which for us works. Sail pass is free allowing newbies to try (3 Times) before they buy.
Do i think SA could do more for the money for the individual sailor, yes but they are very helpful and good value to us at club level helping with training and advice in all aspects of running our club.

@terrafirma thanks for the list.... I'd say Mothy and Magnus H get the chocolates

I’ve never been to your country, through know many people. Pictures of various places look amazing. But this policy of requiring membership in a club after sailing three times is utterly fucking absurd. Even US Sailing isn’t this fucked up.

 

[pqbon]

I’ve never been to your country, through know many people. Pictures of various places look amazing. But this policy of requiring membership in a club after sailing three times is utterly fucking absurd. Even US Sailing isn’t this fucked up.

Just to make sure I'm following this --- every crew member (not just the skipper/owner) must join a club to be ON a race boat?

 

[Schakel]

12 TP 52's racing in this years episode.
This one will be something to watch: Patrice.

Skippered by Tony Kirby.
Carolijn Brouwer Is part of the crew.
Olympic Laser Radial 470.. Crewed Dong Feng winner Volvo ocean Race 2017/18.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolijn_Brouwer

 

[atnan]

Just to make sure I'm following this --- every crew member (not just the skipper/owner) must join a club to be ON a race boat?

Yes, and the 3 race rule no longer applies either:

Australian Sailing prescribes that, from 1st January 2022, all persons on board a boat while racing shall be members of a Club affiliated to Australian Sailing and have an Australian Sailing number, or hold a valid Sail Pass, or if an international competitor, be a member of club affiliated to a World Sailing recognised Member National Authority.​

SailPass is a way for AS affiliated clubs to issue a temporary membership to crew while racing that satisfies this prescription. However, it's at the club's discretion whether a SailPass is free (or free for n number of races), and in practice they charge money for them.

When I was last visiting Australia it was at the beginning of the SailPass rollout. I would just sign up for a SailPass via a club that provided them for for free which satisfies the AS prescription. i.e. you're insured, and your details are known in case something goes wrong.

But the problem is some clubs will go further than the AS prescription in their NOR and specify that it needs to be a SailPass issued by the organizing authority of the race (e.g. RPAYC does this), and then they charge for SailPasses. Which essentially means that for some races, the skipper and all crew members either need to be a member of an affiliated club, or they need to pay the organizing authority for a SailPass to race.

 

[PIL66 - XL2]

and that the AS Insurance is not only shit, but is also activated after any other insurance. So if you have Income Protection or Trauma Insurance you won't get anything from AS

AS use the Insurance aspect as though it is an issue. I can only remember one incident that led to a personal injury claim in 22 years. Obviously there have been more, but someone seriously injured needing long term care will still have to sue for the owner's third party insurance.

My main issues are firstly, Australia is the only country in the world to have this Rule 46 prescription. Secondly as an owner I want to be able to take out whomever i like, whenever i like without having to either pay a fee, or even if free, give my crew's details to an organisation that most likely does not have a strong Privacy policy. Thirdly, AS is only doing this for one reason. The more "competitors" in the sport of sailing, the more money they get from the Government - for the Olympics. They don't need the income from SailPass - they want the increasing number to get money for something that 99% of sailors are not involved with. It is a con, nothing less.

Your comment on AS insurance and when it's activated was not the case from my experience and incident which unfortunately was a big one.... I can't speak for others and their dealings with AS
We all would like to have anyone we like on board to race for free but how does a volunteer club like ours exist if only the owner pays membership and fees...? Sporting codes all charge for either membership or participation AFAIK

I’ve never been to your country, through know many people. Pictures of various places look amazing. But this policy of requiring membership in a club after sailing three times is utterly fucking absurd. Even US Sailing isn’t this fucked up.

Why should a sport like sailing, as opposed to all other sports, be free...?

Just to make sure I'm following this --- every crew member (not just the skipper/owner) must join a club to be ON a race boat?

No... this is where sail pass comes in but how many free rides should one be given before they join....? Serious question
Background on my opinion : My club has no paid staff. We have a building that requires fixtures and fittings + maintenance, water, power, internet / website host, 4 support boats ($150,000aud) + maintenance and fuel, marks / buoys, a paid tender driver and starter + helper, crane (J24 and Etchells)
The cost of the above is paid for buy memberships, race fees, mooring rental and hardstand rental.
Now i'm not sure how else we can balance the books if crews are not paying members....?
Am I missing something here...?
One last observation.... It seems to me that the criticism of AS often comes from people that aren't involved in the day to day running of the club. Which i get.
I can't speak for other clubs but I do know that AS has helped our club every time we ask...

 

[mccroc]

Your comment on AS insurance and when it's activated was not the case from my experience and incident which unfortunately was a big one.... I can't speak for others and their dealings with AS
We all would like to have anyone we like on board to race for free but how does a volunteer club like ours exist if only the owner pays membership and fees...? Sporting codes all charge for either membership or participation AFAIK

Why should a sport like sailing, as opposed to all other sports, be free...?

No... this is where sail pass comes in but how many free rides should one be given before they join....? Serious question
Background on my opinion : My club has no paid staff. We have a building that requires fixtures and fittings + maintenance, water, power, internet / website host, 4 support boats ($150,000aud) + maintenance and fuel, marks / buoys, a paid tender driver and starter + helper, crane (J24 and Etchells)
The cost of the above is paid for buy memberships, race fees, mooring rental and hardstand rental.
Now i'm not sure how else we can balance the books if crews are not paying members....?
Am I missing something here...?
One last observation.... It seems to me that the criticism of AS often comes from people that aren't involved in the day to day running of the club. Which i get.
I can't speak for other clubs but I do know that AS has helped our club every time we ask...

I belong to a similar club - we make a decent profit every year, and have done for most of the 150 years we have existed. We have never, and still don't need crew to be members to survive. Many crew have become members, but of their own volition. I can't speak for your club, but to me the issue is your club management if you need crew to pay.

Name one other sport where one person supplies everything and offers anyone the chance to compete with potentially no skill? AS have said when you play golf, you have to pay. How can you compare them? A sailing club doesn't supply the harbour or the ocean. How can you compare sailing to netball or football? It is a really poor comparison, to hide the worse reason for SailPass, and that is more money for AS from the Government.

And just because other sports require membership then that means sailing must? I repeat, we are the ONLY country in the world that has this prescription. If this was in the best interest of the sport, then why doesn't NZ do it? Or the UK, France or Spain?

So why should it be free? Well for the crews why not? The owner is paying thousands per year, why should the crew pay as well? I do not see anywhere a group of owners saying to AS - make my crew pay - the freeloading bastards!

And then AS change their entire constitution so that the club member has no voting rights and no say. The club is the member, and the bigger the club the better. At least in the past you could challenge for positions to create some change.

And as for your comment regarding criticism coming from people that aren't involved in the day to day running of a club - well I can only assume you live in a bubble - pretty much everyone that has commented on this issue are either serving, or past serving directors or volunteers of their club(s).

You are in the minority to hold supportive views of the AS Prescription to Rule 46.

Luckily, I can just ignore it as far as my sailing is concerned, but it is very sad to see a sport I love go down this path. Worse is that it is based on lies and misinformation.