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I thought weighing was done every 2 years like OMR...? No...
2022 Sydney To Hobart
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The Dark Knight
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Not reweighing after changing the boat certainly sounds wrong.
My point is that idiots like RandomVibes took the (probably incorrect) wording litterally as assumed that the boat was never weighed.
LB 15
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His every post here is only 2cents worth.
His time might be his most valuable comodity, but it's worth very little, like his posts.
Sorry, but where’s the evidence that anyone cheated? They weighed the boat, made some optimizations to bulb & sails, and improved their rating. This is what all the TPs do, big fucking deal.
if there’s a discrepancy with the new measured weight, it’s just as likely that the old weight was slightly off.
(In any case, using incline/floatation measurements in the water, there’s always going to be a slight measurement error, probably in the +/- 50 kg range… you can only go to about 1mm accuracy.)
if there’s a discrepancy with the new measured weight, it’s just as likely that the old weight was slightly off.
(In any case, using incline/floatation measurements in the water, there’s always going to be a slight measurement error, probably in the +/- 50 kg range… you can only go to about 1mm accuracy.)
From the owner of Crux on the SA Facebook post regarding its rating:
"Am sad to see this post here which was brought to my attention this evening. After 13 years of racing, Cruz was reweighted and remeasured in 2021 at Woolwich Dock, not by 1, but by 2 certified measurers.
While the outcome was positive for the boat's rating, the difference was 1 click, less than 6 minutes on a 4 day race, i.e. 0.1%.
I purchased Crux (ex Blondie) in 2018 becasue I knew the previous owner optimised her for IRC. Since I am new to offshore racing let alone running a campaign, buying a ready-to-race boat was the smart option for me.
It is the first time I personally went through the reweigh/remeasure process and I do not have enough experience to claim I know why the difference in measurement. My gut feeling tells me if we can reproduce boat measurements within a 0.1% rating tolerance, that sounds acceptable to me."
"Am sad to see this post here which was brought to my attention this evening. After 13 years of racing, Cruz was reweighted and remeasured in 2021 at Woolwich Dock, not by 1, but by 2 certified measurers.
While the outcome was positive for the boat's rating, the difference was 1 click, less than 6 minutes on a 4 day race, i.e. 0.1%.
I purchased Crux (ex Blondie) in 2018 becasue I knew the previous owner optimised her for IRC. Since I am new to offshore racing let alone running a campaign, buying a ready-to-race boat was the smart option for me.
It is the first time I personally went through the reweigh/remeasure process and I do not have enough experience to claim I know why the difference in measurement. My gut feeling tells me if we can reproduce boat measurements within a 0.1% rating tolerance, that sounds acceptable to me."
TUBBY
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Boat weight would have been considered 3 times a day since they bought her, minimum. Everything that comes on is considered & anything that is already there is checked that it needs to be there & and can't be lightened or replaced with a lighter one.
Goodvibes
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Says that guy with 29,399 posts, YCMTSU!
But there is nothing surprising about the S2H shit fight, even election results are called bullshit these days.
Goodvibes
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Yeah 2011 Vintage, started life as Audi All4One / Beecon / Temptation iii
Same gen as Crush < Envy < Ichi < Shogun 5 < Audi Azzura
& Maybe Gwelo or is that a newer one now?
Livia
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The saddest thing about that video is every owner (save one) mentioned in it has left the sport sold their irc boats and mostly brought power boats
Strange huh!!
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LB 15
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Gosh I hope I didn't offend anyone.
LB 15
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You would have far more if the mods didn't nuke your account for being a fuckwit every 6 months.
Can y'all take a pill about Celestial RSHYR etc. Some actual facts might assist:
1. It is an endorsed certificate, with the new measurements (sail areas, boat weight, overhangs) by an IRC/SA measurer.
2. The boat is weighed using a certified digital load cell, probably accurate to around 0.1%
3. The various cutoff dates mean that the final numbers were submitted to RORC more than one week prior to start.
Frog
1. It is an endorsed certificate, with the new measurements (sail areas, boat weight, overhangs) by an IRC/SA measurer.
2. The boat is weighed using a certified digital load cell, probably accurate to around 0.1%
3. The various cutoff dates mean that the final numbers were submitted to RORC more than one week prior to start.
Frog
Yeah that’s all good.
But was hasn’t been explained is the 213kg difference between weight of material removed from bulb & the new measured weight. Did they add that back somewhere, was the original weight wrong or is the new weight wrong. Seems like a reasonable question.
& if the boat weight only changed 26kg between certs is that enough to explain the differences in LOA & overhangs in the two certificates.
Now such things are far above my head, but that is where the rumours are starting from IMO.
But was hasn’t been explained is the 213kg difference between weight of material removed from bulb & the new measured weight. Did they add that back somewhere, was the original weight wrong or is the new weight wrong. Seems like a reasonable question.
& if the boat weight only changed 26kg between certs is that enough to explain the differences in LOA & overhangs in the two certificates.
Now such things are far above my head, but that is where the rumours are starting from IMO.
Wasn't part of the original quote "we had the boat weighed and we were heavier than expected" which I interpreted as the boat was heavier than old certificate weight, that so the new weight takes account that old discrepency?
Don't have the waterplane area and 'sink' for a TP 52 in front of me, but all they appear to have done is restore the thing to the measured condition and the flotation intended by JV.
So the overhangs etc should not change much. For example, the SO will change the most and it might be around 0.01 metres per 50 kg. In any event, the rating is most affected by the boat weight via the DLR calculation.
But since they were more or less 'restoring' who really knows?
They measurers here are serious and good at what they do.
So the overhangs etc should not change much. For example, the SO will change the most and it might be around 0.01 metres per 50 kg. In any event, the rating is most affected by the boat weight via the DLR calculation.
But since they were more or less 'restoring' who really knows?
They measurers here are serious and good at what they do.
Possible of course but that opens a can of worms as that means one of the measured weights which the boat was using to compete with was wrong. Possibly for a long time ….
