260 Mass Shootings 160 Days, When Will it be Too Much?

[SloopJonB]

One shoe incident forever changed air travel.  Yet hundreds of innocent children being senselessly mowed down in a gun crazed country hasn't moved the needle an inch.

You're overreacting Jules - only around 5 children are shot dead every day on average in the U.S.

Mere collateral damage in the battle to maintain liberty.

 

[Clove Hitch]

Ok.  So there is now an arms race between the public and the police?  Side note: semi auto vs shotgun, situational which is better and isn't the asshole kinda in the drivers seat as to where the conflict will play out at least for the first police person?

Seems to me it wouldn't be a fun job for pretty shite money.  I struggle to understand where their heads will be after just witnessing this, let alone now everyone saying they are at fault.

As to how many cops does it take, are you asking how many it is ok to have die?  It only takes 1 cop with perhaps some luck of course to have stopped it.

When somebody shot a few people at my school the cops were very aggressive in clearing the school and breaching doors. They breached 20 or 25 doors in half of the time that the clowns in Texas breached 1.

What would you think if firemen stopped going into fiery buildings where people were trapped just because it looked too dangerous? I guess you think that police are only good for giving out speeding tickets

 

[Burning Man]

The theory put forward was that the psycho's are not the same people who have the discipline to get training in proper use of firearms, and keep that current through regular time at the range. The corollorary to that theory is that if a potential nutter does turn up at a range, there is a chance that being surrounded by responsible shooters might get that person to not be a nutter with a gun. The hitherto unspoken second corollorary is that if the nutter is at a range when he tries to go nuts with a gun, you probably wouldn't need to wait for a hour before someone else took out the nutter.

So what I was getting at was - only let competant and current people have guns. Enforce the 'well regulated militia' bit. Even Hamilton said that the militia should be called out once or twice a year.

I would honestly have no real problem with a "training" requirement.  But the anti-gunners have gone out of their way to make that practically impossible by forcing ranges to close, or pushing indoor ranges outside of a city where poor folk have zero chance to access them.  So you can't have it both ways...... Either make training and further competency easy to access or stop with this "training requirement" that is frankly nothing more than an intentional hurdle proposed by the anti's to dissuade shooters from owning guns and they hope that they give up.  It's no different than the people here and elsewhere who say "bans, I'm not proposing a ban on gunz - but I want every bullet to cost you $1000."  Effectively, that's a complete ban on all guns.  And it's that sort of BS that causes even moderate gun owners to tell the left to go fuck off.  

I personally am 100% in favor of universal BGCs and raising the age limit for all gun buyers to 21.  If we do the BGCs well, then a waiting period is not needed.  I would also start holding parents accountable for any bad behavior their kid does with a gun.  If the gun was easily accessible to the kid and he/she takes it to school and murders their classmates, then the parents are also on the hook unless they took reasonable precautions to store it.  If the kid uses and crowbar and a blowtorch to get into the safe, then the parents are in the clear.  Stuff like that.  In fact I think the holding the parent accountable angle would probably go THE furthest to reducing these sorts of things from happening.  Not in every case, like this latest one, but it would stop a lot of them.

 

[Burning Man]

I am surprised at the blame the cops rhetoric, he had body armour and semi autos, the cops initially at the scene had what?  Crappy 38 snub pistols and a cotton shirt?

What is the reasoning behind anyone being able to buy body armour?  How does it help you hunting?  Or is it just the 'self defence' line of insanity?

That's BS!  We are not in the 1950s anymore.  Most cops nationwide, even podunk cowtowns, 100% of the time wear body armor and most carry AR duty rifles in the trunk.  The Hollywood bank robbery shootout was the big wake up call to cops. I'd be shocked if there wasn't several rifles among all the cops standing around.

 

[Burning Man]

What is the reasoning behind cops being able to buy it? Just the self-defense line of insanity?

I'm sort of in the category of "Civilians don't really need Body armor".  I don't know of anyone other than the tacticool who walk around with plate carriers and Kevlar helmets on a day to day basis.  I personally would make that stuff a lot harder to get.  The only civilians wearing body armor these days are the mass shooters who know they're going to get engaged by the PO-Leece.  I wouldn't have an issue if this stuff were treated like an NFA item.  

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

One shoe incident forever changed air travel.  Yet hundreds of innocent children being senselessly mowed down in a gun crazed country hasn't moved the needle an inch.

Every time I take my shoes off to get through TSA, I ponder whether the “underwear bomber” was an incompetent killer or just someone with a sick sense of humor. 

 

[Keith]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-supreme-court-justice-e2-80-99s-solution-to-gun-violence-repeal-second-amendment/ar-AAXPhQV

"Stevens said the amendment was adopted out of concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the states. “Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century,” he wrote."

 

[Burning Man]

This isn't 1972.  Cops have been militarized.  They wear body armor, they have shotguns in their cars.   How many cops does it take to put down an untrained teenager?  10? 20? 100?

The more info that comes out the more cowardly they seem.  The cops had SWAT on scene, including 3 with armored shields and they still didn't go in to save kids who were bleeding out.  

Yep.  This 100%. 

Jesus, clove - this agreeing with each other is getting kinda CREE PEE.

 

[Burning Man]

See..... I told you (whoever it was) that mental health issues about the scumbag would eventually come out.  There is ALWAYS a history of stuff like this.  People don't just snap overnight and go from being a model citizen to someone who shoots your grandmother and then 19 elementary kids in the same day.  

 

[Burning Man]

It's their job?

Is there some kind of union agreement regarding the maximum number of times you risk your life for your $25 / hour?

My personal choice is fucking zero times per hour and if I was to be a cop I'd hope the society I was working for wanted to tip the scales in my favour for that.

BS - its firefighters jobs to go into burning buildings to save people - even at great risk to themselves - for about the same pay as cops.  

Imagine if the first responders at the WTC on 9/11/2001 waited outside until they could fully assess the danger.

Look, I fully understand the massive desire to come home to your family every night.  But if you're not willing to actually "Protect and Serve", then you're in the wrong fucking job.  And it doesn't mean that you rush in doing a bayonet charge.  But they fucking TRAIN for this exact scenario.  There are ways to enter a building in these scenarios that still affords you some level of protection.  Especially against a lone gunman.  And If he's waiting to ambush you as you come through the front door, he's not in the classroom killing kids.  Think about that.  

 

[Raz'r]

I’m glad to see BM supporting mental health background checks in addition to the standard “are they a felon” check. I think a full online posting review, neighbors and peers review via in-person interviews (at least 6) and 3 letters of reference would be good. Kinda like getting a job really.

 

[Burning Man]

Every time I take my shoes off to get through TSA, I ponder whether the “underwear bomber” was an incompetent killer or just someone with a sick sense of humor. 

Yeah, but @Jules shoes and undies do not have enumerated protections in the US constitution.  

 

[Raz'r]

BS - its firefighters jobs to go into burning buildings to save people - even at great risk to themselves - for about the same pay as cops.  

Imagine if the first responders at the WTC on 9/11/2001 waited outside until they could fully assess the danger.

Look, I fully understand the massive desire to come home to your family every night.  But if you're not willing to actually "Protect and Serve", then you're in the wrong fucking job.  And it doesn't mean that you rush in doing a bayonet charge.  But they fucking TRAIN for this exact scenario.  There are ways to enter a building in these scenarios that still affords you some level of protection.  Especially against a lone gunman.  And If he's waiting to ambush you as you come through the front door, he's not in the classroom killing kids.  Think about that.  

I hope all those fuckers are haunted by the kids bleeding out while they waited.

 

[Burning Man]

I’m glad to see BM supporting mental health background checks in addition to the standard “are they a felon” check. I think a full online posting review, neighbors and peers review via in-person interviews (at least 6) and 3 letters of reference would be good. Kinda like getting a job really.

Your sarcasm aside, I think there could be effective ways to add known mental health issues to the BGC system.  But like anything - GIGO. 

I'll say it again - every one of these mass shooters of late had well know track records of mental health issues - whether it be clinical or online behavior.  The issue is no one is speaking up.  And when people DO speak up, the authorities do nothing with it.  The parkland shitstain was an obvious case.  We have got to educate people to "See something, say something".  

Everyone needs to read the Secret Service report I posted here a couple of days ago regarding interventions and protections against school shootings.  But it's addressing root causes and getting at the source - and that's just too hard for your elk to do.  So moar gun bans are the only answer.

 

[Burning Man]

I hope all those fuckers are haunted by the kids bleeding out while they waited.

yup

 

[Burning Man]

Your sarcasm aside, I think there could be effective ways to add known mental health issues to the BGC system.  But like anything - GIGO. 

I'll say it again - every one of these mass shooters of late had well know track records of mental health issues - whether it be clinical or online behavior.  The issue is no one is speaking up.  And when people DO speak up, the authorities do nothing with it.  The parkland shitstain was an obvious case.  We have got to educate people to "See something, say something".  

Everyone needs to read the Secret Service report I posted here a couple of days ago regarding interventions and protections against school shootings.  But it's addressing root causes and getting at the source - and that's just too hard for your elk to do.  So moar gun bans are the only answer.

For those that missed it: it:  https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2021-03/USSS Averting Targeted School Violence.2021.03.pdf

 

[Keith]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/schools-face-violent-threats-and-lockdowns-in-wake-of-texas-shooting/ar-AAXOr9J


"Schools face violent threats and lockdowns in wake of Texas shooting"


"In New York, Suffolk County police said they arrested a 16-year-old for posting on social media Thursday that he planned to conduct a “massive shooting” at Bellport High School, which he attends. In Maryland, a high school in Prince George’s County went into lockdown on Thursday after a student brought parts of a “ghost gun” into a classroom; the student was later arrested. And at least six threats have been made this week against schools in Texas, according to media reports."

 

[Raz'r]

Your sarcasm aside, I think there could be effective ways to add known mental health issues to the BGC system.  But like anything - GIGO. 

I'll say it again - every one of these mass shooters of late had well know track records of mental health issues - whether it be clinical or online behavior.  The issue is no one is speaking up.  And when people DO speak up, the authorities do nothing with it.  The parkland shitstain was an obvious case.  We have got to educate people to "See something, say something".  

Everyone needs to read the Secret Service report I posted here a couple of days ago regarding interventions and protections against school shootings.  But it's addressing root causes and getting at the source - and that's just too hard for your elk to do.  So moar gun bans are the only answer.

There’s this thing called HIPAA, ya know?

I don’t know why getting a gun should be easier than a job interview. Companies do that every day, not that expensive. Yeah, there are holes in the system but better than what we have. Assuming we want to keep the 2nd.

 

[Burning Man]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/schools-face-violent-threats-and-lockdowns-in-wake-of-texas-shooting/ar-AAXOr9J


"Schools face violent threats and lockdowns in wake of Texas shooting"


"In New York, Suffolk County police said they arrested a 16-year-old for posting on social media Thursday that he planned to conduct a “massive shooting” at Bellport High School, which he attends. In Maryland, a high school in Prince George’s County went into lockdown on Thursday after a student brought parts of a “ghost gun” into a classroom; the student was later arrested. And at least six threats have been made this week against schools in Texas, according to media reports."

Thank you social media.

 

[Keith]