49er vs. Moth vs. Kite

[patrickrynne]

Had an epic afternoon yesterday having the ultimate showdown between some of the fastest sailing craft in the world. Here is a quick preview.



information for the poll question

Athletes

49er - Alex Bishop & Valen Smith

Moth - Brad Funk

Kites - Damien Leroy, Kent Marinkovic & Garry Menk

Conditions

12-16 knots, shifty and gusty. Flat water.

Course

Windward-Leewards. First leg was about 1/3 mile.

we had 5 races...and the winner was dominant

full reports coming soon...

 

[catsailordude]

I'll guess the Moth would be fastest on a windward-leeward course in those conditions, although it could be the kite. I would expect the 49er to be a distant 3rd. A Nacra F20 Carbon would probably have a good shot at beating all of these on a windward-leeward course in those conditions.

 

[dogedog]

as i pull my face-mask down over my head to avoid the ensuing verbal spit-ball banter....kite board must win while the wind is more than12 knots...a game of apparent windspeeds and drag (obviously)

curious who wins in 5-8 knots...

 

[simbert]

I am sorry, what's the point again?

 

[dogedog]

because they can

 

[Loopykiter]

Humm, voted for the kite as it is definitely the fastest straight line when powered up(obvious as they have nearly doubled the top end speed of the dingies). However, now notice we are on a windward leeward in 12-16. That's probably not enough for the kite to really jam up wind or down, also the kiteboard used in the vid didnt look like a modern race board so I think the kite is stuffed. Not that familiar with the moths bottom end foiling speed, but think that 12K would probably have her foilin all de time. The 49er........hummm in 12K her downwind angles probably not that good. by racing all craft in moderate conditions you are not really seeing who is the fastest, just who is the most efficient for the conditions.

 

[laserichard]

whichever one bora is on, will win

 

[Vgree]

The moth is gonna take it, The kite can't go upwind well enough to out do the moth and the 49er isn't in the realm of the other two.

The moth is gonna take it, The kite can't go upwind well enough to out do the moth and the 49er isn't in the realm of the other two.

 

[AUS8888]

Who cares...I'm just hanging to see the rest of the video. I have this feeling it's going to be shit hot.

But do need to expand this and add in a F20c, F18 or A class.

Now show us the rest.!!!!!!!!!

 

[multitranslation]

now THIS is what I call a FAST KITE:

 

[BalticBandit]

The moth is gonna take it, The kite can't go upwind well enough to out do the moth and the 49er isn't in the realm of the other two.

The moth is gonna take it, The kite can't go upwind well enough to out do the moth and the 49er isn't in the realm of the other two.

Moth, 49er, then Kite. Kites are fast, but they don't do multiples of windspeed upwind. in 14-15 knots flat water, the 9er is going to be close to the moth downwind, maybe even faster, but will lose on the upwind.

 

[smc]

Looks like fun, I still can't get my head around how kites go upwind but guess the others will be quicker. Looking forward to rest of vid!

 

[fodex2000]

kite is really fast in all courses, even upwind. no chance for the moth or 49er to beat the kite.

kite just is NOT sailing, so I don't get the point of this.

 

[BalticBandit]

kite is really fast in all courses, even upwind. no chance for the moth or 49er to beat the kite.

kite just is NOT sailing, so I don't get the point of this.

"really fast" isn't a measure. What multiple of wind speed does it do? Because the moth starts pushing 2x in 13-14knots and the 49er is in the 1.2 Upwind and approaching 2x downwind.

 

[Pete M]

when we race on the same course as the moths - they always start the skiffs in front - the reason being that the moths may be faster at any one time - but the bulk of the moth fleet has a slower elapsed time than the skiffs

 

[Captain Bastard]

I'm saying kites win as the business pushing the video sells kites and not Moths or 49ers.

 

[simbert]

I am more into who hit the bar first.

 

[jwlbrace]

I just voted Moth out of my loyalty to singlehanded dinghy sailing.

 

[jhc]

Didn't vote, but I'll be the first to take the 49er...dominant.

flame on.

there, i voted