65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space

[jwaldron]

[snip]

it does all reinforce Shakespeare's very old, yet very apropos line:

"First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"

Just remember, folks, Dick the Butcher was a socialist, engaged in a plot led by Cade to overthrow of the government. I think overthrow would be better if done by sailing anarchists.

All:

God save your majesty!

Cade:

I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat

and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery,

that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.

Dick:

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Cade:

Nay, that I mean to do.

Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78

 

[billy backstay]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

+1

I think we both may be correct. I think I have seen them sunk into the oak, hardwood handles on a wheelbarrow handle and perhaps used similarily on old style carriages but I kind of doubt it? But certainly not good in a softer wood or critical fastener application. It's going too loosen up very quickly in Hot Rods case.

 

[Nettles]

"The sea is beautiful and vast and is going to fucking destroy that piece of shit in about two minutes, everyone is going to die, and seagulls are going to shit on anything still floating. Because the Universe is like that."

Hyde:

I like that quote but I think it came from Olin Stephens.

Huh. And here I was thinking it was Halsey Herreshoff.

 

[familysailor]

You have got to be shitting me. Nanaj2013, if that's your real name, that was a great first post. Thank you.

Since you seem to like to quote the great philosophers, here's one I kind of like. Can't remember who said it, but I think it really applies in this situation.

"The sea is beautiful and vast and is going to fucking destroy that piece of shit in about two minutes, everyone is going to die, and seagulls are going to shit on anything still floating. Because the Universe is like that."

It may have been Herman Melville or maybe Dick Chaney who said that, not really sure.

I think it was Dick Melville.

 

[familysailor]

Sorry to bust your bubble Mike, but I do work for a sawmill that sells it's chip. They don't even like plastic cable-tie ends in the chip, the chip has to be "clean".

Boat has no market as chip.

It could be a candidate for MDF. I know I've encountered a few tiny bits of metal when woking with it.

Then there's Trex Decking and the like.

Recycling is the best possible outcome.

 

[billy backstay]

I thought Trex decking is a plastic composite?? Maybe a ten year supply of bonfire fuel?

 

[SloopJonB]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

+1

I think we both may be correct. I think I have seen them sunk into the oak, hardwood handles on a wheelbarrow handle and perhaps used similarily on old style carriages but I kind of doubt it? But certainly not good in a softer wood or critical fastener application. It's going too loosen up very quickly in Hot Rods case.

They are only used in wood by sadists who want to ensure that any future attempt at removal of them will result in pure, screaming frustration.

 

[SloopJonB]

"The sea is beautiful and vast and is going to fucking destroy that piece of shit in about two minutes, everyone is going to die, and seagulls are going to shit on anything still floating. Because the Universe is like that."

Hyde:

I like that quote but I think it came from Olin Stephens.

Huh. And here I was thinking it was Halsey Herreshoff.

C'mon guys - it was Ted Turner.

 

[familysailor]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

Actually used both ways.

Link:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-carriage-bolt.htm

 

[Sand crab]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

Actually GregJ1 is correct on the standard application of a carriage bolt. They are also called coach bolts although not by anyone in the US. The washer with a square hole is a clever although non standard use. From Wiki.

A carriage bolt, also known as a coach bolt, has a domed or countersunk head, and the shank is topped by a short square section under the head. The square section grips into the part being fixed (typically wood), preventing the bolt from turning when the nut is tightened. A rib neck carriage bolt has several longitudinal ribs instead of the square section, to grip into a metal part being fixed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw

 

[billy backstay]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

Actually used both ways.

Link:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-carriage-bolt.htm

I didn't see any mention of the square part? Not all carriage bolts have that feature.

But, I guess Sand Crabs link covers that....

 

[familysailor]

I thought Trex decking is a plastic composite?? Maybe a ten year supply of bonfire fuel?

Wood and plastic:

http://www.trex.com/plan/why-trex/what-is-trex/our-process/index.htm

 

[familysailor]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

Actually used both ways.

Link:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-carriage-bolt.htm

I didn't see any mention of the square part? Not all carriage bolts have that feature.

But, I guess Sand Crabs link covers that....

From the design paragraph in the link above:

"The design of a carriage bolt includes a large round, domed head with an externally threaded bolt projecting from it. The head is typically at least twice the diameter of the bolt shaft, and usually does not have slots for a screwdriver or other driving device. Underneath the head, there is a square fitting that grips the wood as the bolt is placed and fastened, keeping it from twisting or turning and otherwise maintaining a snug fit. In a variation on the basic carriage bolt, the square fitting under the rounded head is replaced with ribbing that holds the bolt in place when it is used with other metal components. The length of the bolt itself will vary according to its intended use, as will the diameter of the bolt and bolt head, regardless of the type of materials being fastened."

 

[DA-WOODY]

I beleive the square part of the head on carriage bolts are meant to lock into the square hole of a metal plate, not sunk into the wood. That's how all of our local docks are built with them.

Actually GregJ1 is correct on the standard application of a carriage bolt. They are also called coach bolts although not by anyone in the US. The washer with a square hole is a clever although non standard use. From Wiki.

A carriage bolt, also known as a coach bolt, has a domed or countersunk head, and the shank is topped by a short square section under the head. The square section grips into the part being fixed (typically wood), preventing the bolt from turning when the nut is tightened. A rib neck carriage bolt has several longitudinal ribs instead of the square section, to grip into a metal part being fixed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw

Bull Shit

wiki would say a screwdriver is a chisel or to remove screws

and a hammer is to pound nails, thumbs or screws

It's a cross between Craigslist and GA fur krist's sakes

use then for projects like this

where you don't want someone to unscrew bolt from other side

 

[billy backstay]

Even if some applications do call for the square part to sink in and grip the wood, the wood in this case is way too soft, and the stresses on the bolt will be way beyond its' capabilities. So, for HR to say he personally "engineered" is giant crock of shit. But, one does admire the effort, and energy to do that in two years in ones spare time while working full time otherwise, is pretty amazing. But if I built some POS home built car out of a erector set parts, it wouldn't be any more a funtional car, than this is a functional boat for use in conditions one finds sailing to Hawaii. At least Reid Stowes Bondo-Barge did do the job.

 

[billy backstay]

where you don't want someone to unscrew bolt from other side

It's also to keep it from turning so you can properly tighhten the nut.

 

[familysailor]

He probably used what he had. Hex bolts of the same size would be as useless. The bolt will survive, possibly bent, but the wood will not.

 

[familysailor]

where you don't want someone to unscrew bolt from other side

It's also to keep it from turning so you can properly tighhten the nut.

As you pointed out, in the material used the bolt head would turn and strip the square opening created long before the nut was very tight. Maybe a good thing....

 

[βhyde]

"The sea is beautiful and vast and is going to fucking destroy that piece of shit in about two minutes, everyone is going to die, and seagulls are going to shit on anything still floating. Because the Universe is like that."

Hyde:

I like that quote but I think it came from Olin Stephens.

Huh. And here I was thinking it was Halsey Herreshoff.

C'mon guys - it was Ted Turner.

No, I don't think it was Ted Turner.

As I recall Ted Turner said,

"When a man with a mustache meets a man with a rifle, the man with the mustache will win. Check out my mustache and grind you bitches!"

Ted was a badass.

 

[shaggy]

Jesus h christ on a snowblower, I go away for a day and we get all this cool shit but no update as to weather or not it sunk yet....

Wow just WOW!!!! this is almost better than weedo, but scrunched into 1 day....