mcsailor0303
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Do you think they used the same fir studs, plywood, and carriage bolts to build this:
65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space
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A guy in the Chesapeake
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Ok, so I did forget all the non-wooden bits. Let's ballpark that real quick. Gas range - $1000. Other kitchen stuff, cabinets, etc, $1500. Wire stays, $500, rope $500, "sails" $no idea, "masts" $200? Outboards $500? "Tanks", $500? Xbox360 and games $300, TV, $200, grill, $100, windows (yet to be installed) $500, patio door $200, veranda roof thing, $100. Radar $500, diamond plate $50. Rudders, wheels, pedastals, etc, etc. Yeah, it goes on and on.
Maybe an extra $5k or so? So maybe $30k total?
You can get a decent actual bluewater boat for $30k, and it won't take 2 or 3 years of two people working full time. If he actually worked instead, he and his son could probably have scraped together $100k and bought something pretty darn nice. My parents happen to have a Kelly Peterson 44 in great shape for sale for a little over $100k. You could drop it off a 4 story building and it would be fine. This boat won't make it off a 4 foot wave. What a waste of time and money.
Maybe an extra $5k or so? So maybe $30k total?
You can get a decent actual bluewater boat for $30k, and it won't take 2 or 3 years of two people working full time. If he actually worked instead, he and his son could probably have scraped together $100k and bought something pretty darn nice. My parents happen to have a Kelly Peterson 44 in great shape for sale for a little over $100k. You could drop it off a 4 story building and it would be fine. This boat won't make it off a 4 foot wave. What a waste of time and money.
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DA-WOODY
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I wonder if this might be Government Backed in some way
to get someone to build something so Obliviously WRONG in every way
So we'll accept (even ask for) Being Government Regulated and Inspected Yearly
YES at a Fee that returns a Profit = Will always cost more each year !!
"WE" are kinda self regulated
and it's expected that we have No Death Wish as we Maintain - Prep Operate and our Rides
H-R is Off the Chart
I have a Looooooong and Funny Story about a CG-Augzilliest
who called in to Condemn me YACHT and Terminate my Riding along a few miles off shore
A USCG Chopper flew out and did a couple Circles Real Low around me YACHT (yes DA-WOODY in 1992)
Pilot Smiled waved and gave me a Big Thumbs UP and pealed off & away and the CG-Augzilliest left w/o contact
I called USCG the next day to see WTF that was all about
The Gyu on phone was on Radio the day before and got the call to Arrest Me to Save my Life
Turns out same Guy was on a USCG Cutter riding into SD Bay after an AC Race
when a (20'?) Bow-Rider Got Swamped next to me as we hit a Big Swell
I picked up my Radio to call for help as it wasn't a good place for to stop
I looked to my left and a Good sized USCG Cutter was right there and saw the whole thing
well the Guy on the Bridge waved to me that they had it under control = YES it Was The Same Guy
So guy on phone told me he was along side when the other boat swamped and I was Fine
and when he got the Call and the Ass described me YACHT as Un-Seaworthy he sent the Chopper to see if it was me
I later learned the Guy who tried to Fuck my Day was Called in and No-Longer allowed to Fuck w People
That's a TRUE STORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to get someone to build something so Obliviously WRONG in every way
So we'll accept (even ask for) Being Government Regulated and Inspected Yearly
YES at a Fee that returns a Profit = Will always cost more each year !!
"WE" are kinda self regulated
and it's expected that we have No Death Wish as we Maintain - Prep Operate and our Rides
H-R is Off the Chart
I have a Looooooong and Funny Story about a CG-Augzilliest
who called in to Condemn me YACHT and Terminate my Riding along a few miles off shore
A USCG Chopper flew out and did a couple Circles Real Low around me YACHT (yes DA-WOODY in 1992)
Pilot Smiled waved and gave me a Big Thumbs UP and pealed off & away and the CG-Augzilliest left w/o contact
I called USCG the next day to see WTF that was all about
The Gyu on phone was on Radio the day before and got the call to Arrest Me to Save my Life
Turns out same Guy was on a USCG Cutter riding into SD Bay after an AC Race
when a (20'?) Bow-Rider Got Swamped next to me as we hit a Big Swell
I picked up my Radio to call for help as it wasn't a good place for to stop
I looked to my left and a Good sized USCG Cutter was right there and saw the whole thing
well the Guy on the Bridge waved to me that they had it under control = YES it Was The Same Guy
So guy on phone told me he was along side when the other boat swamped and I was Fine
and when he got the Call and the Ass described me YACHT as Un-Seaworthy he sent the Chopper to see if it was me
I later learned the Guy who tried to Fuck my Day was Called in and No-Longer allowed to Fuck w People
That's a TRUE STORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caca Cabeza
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OK,
So I clicked on the top link. In the "related pages" pop up I get a link to "Find Sunken Treasure". Must me bad juju.
Boston1
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Thats actually a pretty nice boat Sailor, not sure if someone photoshoped the the surface treatment into it but its a nice looking rig
swims4USA
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And:
"But James, the father, and Michael, the son, aren't only are they living our dream but they are even going so far as to build their ow boat in which to do it"
doesitfloat
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Funny story woody,
I offer an opinion that the Coast guard is not responsible for inspecting and verifying that every boat on the water meets some sort of structural or seakeeping requirements. They should make sure all boats are registered, lighted, and equipped with safety gear. (lifejackets, flares, horn, fire extinguisher) Failure in those areas makes them a danger to other out on the water.
The coast guard does offer to certify a boat or design. The designs can by certified by the Coast Guard Office of Design and Engineering Standards. Submit your design pay the fee and get your certification. If you want to take it to the next step you can certify the boats by allowing Coast Guard inspectors to inspect your facilities, manufacturing methods, quality methods, and the boat you want certified. Boats I had certified (lifeboats) then had to pass performance tests; as they should if you need a lifeboat the damn thing better work. All of the above adds cost to the boat and gets you a hull sticker, maybe some piece of mind. In my opinion, totally unnecessary for the recreational market.
A quality builder will design to pass the CG requirements just not pay the fee. If there is no certified design why bother with an inspection. If some puts crap out on the market well its buyer beware. Likewise is someone build their own boat you could buy a certified design, pay for the inspectors; and end up with a certified boat. Probably cost 5 times as much. Otherwise you could buy plans from a known designer (Farrier), build to the plans and have a nice boat for a lower cost than buying from a boat builder.
Well here in M’erica we can design and build our own boat. So long as we have the required safety gear we can use and enjoy our creation. Of course if I was to spend $30,000 on materials you think I’d spend $20 on book on yacht design.
http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Yacht-Design-3rd-Edition/dp/0071487697
Then I could put my $30k in materials together in a way that won't end up looking like tidal wave debris.
I offer an opinion that the Coast guard is not responsible for inspecting and verifying that every boat on the water meets some sort of structural or seakeeping requirements. They should make sure all boats are registered, lighted, and equipped with safety gear. (lifejackets, flares, horn, fire extinguisher) Failure in those areas makes them a danger to other out on the water.
The coast guard does offer to certify a boat or design. The designs can by certified by the Coast Guard Office of Design and Engineering Standards. Submit your design pay the fee and get your certification. If you want to take it to the next step you can certify the boats by allowing Coast Guard inspectors to inspect your facilities, manufacturing methods, quality methods, and the boat you want certified. Boats I had certified (lifeboats) then had to pass performance tests; as they should if you need a lifeboat the damn thing better work. All of the above adds cost to the boat and gets you a hull sticker, maybe some piece of mind. In my opinion, totally unnecessary for the recreational market.
A quality builder will design to pass the CG requirements just not pay the fee. If there is no certified design why bother with an inspection. If some puts crap out on the market well its buyer beware. Likewise is someone build their own boat you could buy a certified design, pay for the inspectors; and end up with a certified boat. Probably cost 5 times as much. Otherwise you could buy plans from a known designer (Farrier), build to the plans and have a nice boat for a lower cost than buying from a boat builder.
Well here in M’erica we can design and build our own boat. So long as we have the required safety gear we can use and enjoy our creation. Of course if I was to spend $30,000 on materials you think I’d spend $20 on book on yacht design.
http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Yacht-Design-3rd-Edition/dp/0071487697
Then I could put my $30k in materials together in a way that won't end up looking like tidal wave debris.
Timo42
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One has to ask if this is truly The Future Of Yacht Design...
Hard to tell from the photos, but they look like "primeguard" coated deck screws to me. A 25 lb. bucket is pretty cheap at home despot. I just checked the label (ahem... they're my go-to fastener around the farm. I ain't saying whether or not there are any on my boat.) They do claim to be "stainless steel" exterior grade. They're coated with some kind of gray paint that is lightly grippy on the drill tip.
Oronoco
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HR and son are proud to link this gold & silver website forum, which is apparently popular with paranoid survivalists. These guys don't trust the very government that gives them the freedom to be perfect fools.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54142-Man-building-house-boat-that-s-3-200-square-feet
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54142-Man-building-house-boat-that-s-3-200-square-feet
Rasputin22
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Tipi says:
I admire anyone who follows their personal callings in Life.
Some men belong growing on the side of a mountain in Joy.
The call of the sea is not for everyone to go...
Experiential knowledge surpasses hopes and dreams.
From the Squidoo site. Must be that experiential knowledge that get her hot...
I admire anyone who follows their personal callings in Life.
Some men belong growing on the side of a mountain in Joy.
The call of the sea is not for everyone to go...
Experiential knowledge surpasses hopes and dreams.
From the Squidoo site. Must be that experiential knowledge that get her hot...
P_Wop
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Don't forget the great and glorious Stormvogel - built of Bruynzeel marine ply. But hey, he had a major naval architect, van de Stadt design that one. So it obviously is no good, is it?
There's no way their boats were as good as FH... The gas BBQ and the sliding glass door had not been invented yet.
Speaking of the sliding door, with the appearance of the droop in the porch, and likely the entire bridgedeck, does the door even open/close?
doesitfloat
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some dude
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You mean the same gubmint that employs the Marin County boat building inspector that signed off on the build?
SloopJonB
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That was some sort of fund raiser type project in Europe - IIRC the boat was cold moulded and the top surface is actually made up of laminated bits of wood from a huge variety of sources - all contributions. Bits of signs and art work and toys etc.
It was covered quite extensively in the Euro mags etc. a while back.