65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space

blackjenner

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I wonder if this might be Government Backed in some way

to get someone to build something so Obliviously WRONG in every way

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I know it's a funny old saw to repeat and our government (which is us by the way) doesn't do everything perfectly but, the next time you turn the tap and get clean water, drive completely across this country on an interstate, fly from one city to the next in almost complete safety and without incident, dial 911 and get a fire crew to your house to put out the fire and save your life, when two SEAL snipers make a coordinated kill on two pirates and rescue the captured crew unharmed, you will be glad your above statement is just that -- a funny old saw with no actual basis in truth.

 

KiwiJoker

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Thats actually a pretty nice boat Sailor, not sure if someone photoshoped the the surface treatment into it but its a nice looking rig
That was some sort of fund raiser type project in Europe - IIRC the boat was cold moulded and the top surface is actually made up of laminated bits of wood from a huge variety of sources - all contributions. Bits of signs and art work and toys etc.
It was covered quite extensively in the Euro mags etc. a while back.
If memory serves, SA did a cover story on this last year
Missed the SA front page cover but, she's named Collective Spirit and is a product of The Boat Project http://www.theboatproject.com She's a Rogers Olympiad 30 design.

 

Bob Perry

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As I recall there were three designers involved with STORMY. Van de Stadt, Illingworth and Primrose and Laurent Giles. Each office had their own area of responsibilities. The Hull lines were by Van de Stadt.

Bill Stevens aka Da Man used to crew on it.

 

Sand crab

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If you look at the closeups of the screws in this preposted vid then you will see the wood splitting so definitely not predrilled. I've put in a fair share of longer SS wood screws and it's just about impossible to drive them without predrilling. The heads usually strip out because the SS is so soft. I think those are the standard steel deck screws or modified drywall type screw. You can buy these anywhere in zinc coated or galvanized. So the boat just got cheaper.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/6249763-massive-boat-building-draws-crowd-in-san-rafael/

 
Something that's been bothering me is the calculation for '3200 square feet of living space'.

If the two hulls are 8feet wide for the entire 65 feet, that's 520 sq ft each.

And even if you took the entire 65 x 32 envelope as 'floor space' for the main floor, that's 2080 ft2, for a grand total of 3120.

But you can't count the front deck as 'living space', and the back porch is a bit iffy. Plus, as can be seen from the stern shot, the main cabin is

narrower than the boat to give some deck space. The sloping sides remove some usable space, as does the opening to get down into the hulls... which are at least a little pointy, removing more space. I'm guessing there's more like 1000 ft2 upstairs, and 400 in each hull... just about half what he claims.

So... HotRod's calculations were way off from the get-go.

 

jobo

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Something that's been bothering me is the calculation for '3200 square feet of living space'.

If the two hulls are 8feet wide for the entire 65 feet, that's 520 sq ft each.

And even if you took the entire 65 x 32 envelope as 'floor space' for the main floor, that's 2080 ft2, for a grand total of 3120.

But you can't count the front deck as 'living space', and the back porch is a bit iffy. Plus, as can be seen from the stern shot, the main cabin is

narrower than the boat to give some deck space. The sloping sides remove some usable space, as does the opening to get down into the hulls... which are at least a little pointy, removing more space. I'm guessing there's more like 1000 ft2 upstairs, and 400 in each hull... just about half what he claims.

So... HotRod's calculations were way off from the get-go.
Don´t tell him, he might build a bigger one.

 

Goonda

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Something that's been bothering me is the calculation for '3200 square feet of living space'.

If the two hulls are 8feet wide for the entire 65 feet, that's 520 sq ft each.

And even if you took the entire 65 x 32 envelope as 'floor space' for the main floor, that's 2080 ft2, for a grand total of 3120.

But you can't count the front deck as 'living space', and the back porch is a bit iffy. Plus, as can be seen from the stern shot, the main cabin is

narrower than the boat to give some deck space. The sloping sides remove some usable space, as does the opening to get down into the hulls... which are at least a little pointy, removing more space. I'm guessing there's more like 1000 ft2 upstairs, and 400 in each hull... just about half what he claims.

So... HotRod's calculations were way off from the get-go.
Don´t tell him, he might build a bigger one.
Naah, he just needs to build a second floor. You know, just like the textile factories in Bangladesh.

 

some dude

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Something that's been bothering me is the calculation for '3200 square feet of living space'.

If the two hulls are 8feet wide for the entire 65 feet, that's 520 sq ft each.

And even if you took the entire 65 x 32 envelope as 'floor space' for the main floor, that's 2080 ft2, for a grand total of 3120.

But you can't count the front deck as 'living space', and the back porch is a bit iffy. Plus, as can be seen from the stern shot, the main cabin is

narrower than the boat to give some deck space. The sloping sides remove some usable space, as does the opening to get down into the hulls... which are at least a little pointy, removing more space. I'm guessing there's more like 1000 ft2 upstairs, and 400 in each hull... just about half what he claims.

So... HotRod's calculations were way off from the get-go.
maybe he's counting vertical and sloped surfaces (aka the plywood sail area), and the underside to get to 3200?

 

toddster

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If you look at the closeups of the screws in this preposted vid then you will see the wood splitting so definitely not predrilled. I've put in a fair share of longer SS wood screws and it's just about impossible to drive them without predrilling. The heads usually strip out because the SS is so soft. I think those are the standard steel deck screws or modified drywall type screw. You can buy these anywhere in zinc coated or galvanized. So the boat just got cheaper.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/6249763-massive-boat-building-draws-crowd-in-san-rafael/
I use those (ss deck screws) all the time. The coating makes them sink into anything pretty easily. However, you are correct - anything KD or anything near the end of a board needs to be pre-drilled or it splits wide open. Sometimes they do strip out in the last 1/2 inch of a 3-inch screw, if you haven't pre-drilled. Back it out and run in a new one.

Or maybe it's just the power of my massive right arm...

 
There's no way their boats were as good as FH... The gas BBQ and the sliding glass door had not been invented yet.

Speaking of the sliding door, with the appearance of the droop in the porch, and likely the entire bridgedeck, does the door even open/close?

A couple of days after launch, a bystander told me that he had a lot of trouble opening the sliding glass door

 

some dude

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There's no way their boats were as good as FH... The gas BBQ and the sliding glass door had not been invented yet.
Speaking of the sliding door, with the appearance of the droop in the porch, and likely the entire bridgedeck, does the door even open/close?

A couple of days after launch, a bystander told me that he had a lot of trouble opening the sliding glass door

Is that because the BBQ keeps rolling right into the middle of the back porch blocking the door, no matter how many times you roll it to the side?

 
...Collective Spirit and is a product of The Boat Project http://www.theboatproject.com She's a Rogers Olympiad 30 design.

I love this boat!

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P_Wop

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As I recall there were three designers involved with STORMY. Van de Stadt, Illingworth and Primrose and Laurent Giles. Each office had their own area of responsibilities. The Hull lines were by Van de Stadt.

Bill Stevens aka Da Man used to crew on it.
Yes, indeed. I stand corrected. it was a 3-way design effort. Stormvogel was the single solitary reason for me aspiring to big-boat sailing. As a youngster hanging on downwind in a windy early 60s Cowes Week (in a Dragon I think), I heard a huge roaring noise behind, and Stormvogel's huge red kite propelled her past us with six-foot bow wave. The sailnumber H700 was stuck in my astonished mind for almost ever after.

And I did get to sail her eventually in the late 70s in the Caribbean. Superb yacht.

And now back to your regular reality (?) show.....

 

shaggy

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From the article above...... Aug 1 2012

"Skepticism doesn’t deter Lane, who has earned the money to finish his yacht by working on other people’s boats"

Who the fuck paid him to fix anything floating?

"For navigation purposes, Lane has two GPS systems and a sextant (a device for determining a ship’s position from the stars)."

Did anyone at any time see anything that resembled a sextant on the FH??

Words fail me.....

 

Great Red Shark

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Oh Christ, now he "is a pilot and a certified meteorologist" ?!?

Won't ONE of those useless fucking excuses for Journalists CALL HIM OUT on ANY of that bullshit ?

"Has 2 GPS and a Sextant." - if he can explain how to use the Sextant I'll eat my hat.

The part in the article about the lack of funding is pretty funny though - Gee, folks should be lining up to throw money at this dolt !

But the best part has to be about how the local riggers won't give him free service and lots of access to thier tools. I wonder how many mechanics loaned him tools to fix his car ?

 

Torsten

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Something that's been bothering me is the calculation for '3200 square feet of living space'.

If the two hulls are 8feet wide for the entire 65 feet, that's 520 sq ft each.

And even if you took the entire 65 x 32 envelope as 'floor space' for the main floor, that's 2080 ft2, for a grand total of 3120.

But you can't count the front deck as 'living space', and the back porch is a bit iffy. Plus, as can be seen from the stern shot, the main cabin is

narrower than the boat to give some deck space. The sloping sides remove some usable space, as does the opening to get down into the hulls... which are at least a little pointy, removing more space. I'm guessing there's more like 1000 ft2 upstairs, and 400 in each hull... just about half what he claims.

So... HotRod's calculations were way off from the get-go.
maybe he's counting vertical and sloped surfaces (aka the plywood sail area), and the underside to get to 3200?
Maybe the 'living space' includes the marine growth on the inside of the hulls?

 

Great Red Shark

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from article:

Lane and Johnson expect to sail the catamaran to San Diego, where they hope to buy a water-making appliance; then across the Pacific Ocean visiting Fiji, Tonga, the Samoan Islands and New Zealand.

For navigation purposes, Lane has two GPS systems and a sextant (a device for determining a ship’s position from the stars).

He isn’t concerned that he won’t be able to find his way.

“I’m a pilot and a certified meteorologist,” he claimed. “I’m not an uninformed individual.”

Lane said he will take calls from anyone interested in becoming a sponsor; the number is 530-680-4351.

Will NOBODY call him on that Builshit ? Is there NO Maritime-competant writer in the region ?

 
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