AbaftAndBaffled
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You know what, fuck it. Go HR, go. Just don't tie up the Coast Guard when shit goes wrong, there might be real sailors out there who need the assistance.
65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space
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You know what, fuck it. Go HR, go. Just don't tie up the Coast Guard when shit goes wrong, there might be real sailors out there who need the assistance.
Boston1
Super Anarchist
There's a ton of reality right here on this site Rod and you'd really be doing yourself a favor by paying attention to it. First thing you should seriously consider is that suggestion about safety equipment and reserve buoyancy, although that's not considering the suggestion that you seriously think of getting that thing out of the water while you still can and maybe reconsidering this whole thing before you loose a family member.
Can't get more real than that Rod or Viking or whoever you might be this time.
Looks to me that your following the same ole patterns that got you into this mess. Lets just hope no one gets hurt or killed getting you out of it. Refusing sound advise, albeit mixed with a healthy dose of abuse, isn't going to get you very far.
Get an NA get a survey, do what they tell you to do. Unfortunately I'm feeling pretty sure they will tell you to get off the boat immediately and start over with sound methods and materials
HR'FH
Member
Bottle rocket scientist have a large impact.on this site.
HR'FH, if you have other photos of the interior as built I would like to post them and take a look, also of the internals of the steering gear. Do you guys have a welder?
And just to be clear, those of us who suggest heading up the delta (not as a floating condo) are suggesting it because it will be warmer, no wave action, fewer people to complain about being there too long, and an easier place to recover from anything going wrong than the bay. Once you think you've got the steering, propulsion, any bulkheads/buoyancy retrofits, whatever else is onnthe todo list taken care of you can head back down and go try it out in the bay. I would bet that there has to be somewhere not very far up the delta that has access to a road and enough water to rig a gangplank to shore.
Where you are right now it seems like the deck is stacked against you with having to move due to anchoring time limits (which are everywhere other than Richardson bay, AFAIK), deal with all the fog and wind as you're trying to do anything and if stuff does go wrong there isn't as much time before you're in a shipping lane or ferry wake or whatever.
And just to be clear, those of us who suggest heading up the delta (not as a floating condo) are suggesting it because it will be warmer, no wave action, fewer people to complain about being there too long, and an easier place to recover from anything going wrong than the bay. Once you think you've got the steering, propulsion, any bulkheads/buoyancy retrofits, whatever else is onnthe todo list taken care of you can head back down and go try it out in the bay. I would bet that there has to be somewhere not very far up the delta that has access to a road and enough water to rig a gangplank to shore.
Where you are right now it seems like the deck is stacked against you with having to move due to anchoring time limits (which are everywhere other than Richardson bay, AFAIK), deal with all the fog and wind as you're trying to do anything and if stuff does go wrong there isn't as much time before you're in a shipping lane or ferry wake or whatever.
doonybrook
Anarchist
Don't talk this site seriously remember they are being sued, post are wish list and maybe some locals can help, anyone that has a boat always has spares ( line, sails, blocks, etc)
Bagster
New member
You are wrong, HR'FH. Many people build all kinds of things for themselves these days. I have seen with my own eyes scores of finely crafted and seaworthy boats built from scratch in backyards, garages, toolsheds, etc. I have built several myself. I have been 50 miles offshore, safely and independently, in a boat I built from scratch, to a proven design, using my own hands and wits. And many people have done much, much more than I.
The distinction between yourself and these other folks, and the reason that you are "the talk of the town", is that you designed and built your boat in a mental cocoon through which nothing has so far penetrated. You have completely ignored the collective wisdom of humankind in favor of your own fevered, self-referential logic. You have wasted a tremendous amount of effort, and a big pile of low-grade materials, to create something that will not accomplish a fraction of what you set out to do. That much is tragically obvious to all of us who know the first thing about the project of going to sea.
If you are feeling disrespected, realize that you have shortcut or completely ignored things that many of us would never dream of shortcutting or ignoring. That suggests arrogance on your part, that you feel yourself to be smarter, more capable, more special than the rest, and that attitude gets you nowhere with people who can see through your delusion.
I mentioned earlier that you need to build a heavy duty mooring bitt or sampson post into each hull, so that you can accept a proper tow and not get destroyed in the process. I will reiterate, that is job one, as I see it. Get ready for a tow, then get towed someplace sheltered and long term so you can proceed.
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Guys, starting over is about the worst choice they could make right now given that they aren't interested in giving up the dream. Even if it were 100% deficient everywhere they already have a shell just waiting to have reinforcements added, without spending even more time just trying to get the shape right. Covering the plywood hull panels with 3/4 marine Doug fir by screwing it down and glassing over it would be a hell of a lot easier than starting from scratch. If the beams across the bridgedeck aren't cutting it they can add more underneath the bridgedeck in a vertical stack. And this is without even using steel yet. If you accept that a boat doesn't have to be a Swan or Oyster a whole bunch of options open up for beefing things up.
George Dewey
Super Anarchist
Okay with this post alone you will probably get people to soften up a bit and try to help. You made some good points there.
Step 1, assess your situation honestly. For now, just the basics and most pressing issues.
a - Safety. There has been some good advice relative to crew safety. As was said, make sure you have emergency equipment needed to stop a big leak should you get a hole. Make sure you have a working and charged VHF radio, ideally a submersible handheld, and keep it charged. Have flares and most important life jackets (although we have seen those in pics - good). By all means, if you don't have them yet get several fire extinguishers, make sure they are charged and distribute them so that there is always at least one accessible from anywhere on board. Make sure there is an escape route from any part of the boat where a person could be.
b - What are you doing for power? Is the head working properly? Can you prepare food in a sanitary way? Do you have proper ventilation? You don't want mold growing and making everyone sick.
c - You're on the mud. If the boat is not experiencing damage from being on the mud, consider staying there until you get a few more things squared away.
d - As to the design of the boat, the most concerning thing I have heard is about the CDX ply. Your friend at the lumber store may mean well but he probably knows nothing about boats or boat building. If you tell us a little more about the epoxy and how you applied it, you might get some helpful comments. As with most things, you have to have a secure foundation to build on. That needs to be squared away before worrying about steering, propulsion and such.
Boston1
Super Anarchist
Again, you need to get a survey, from a real marine surveyor or naval architect, you need to heed there advice, and you need to do it before you injure or kill anyone.
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HR'FH
Member
thanks Phillysailor
The Samson posts should definitely be on the todo list, they don't have to be fancy. A piece of 4" ish square steel tube with a crossbar, ad welded to a flat plate base should work just fine if it can be bolted to something solid under deck. Take a look at what commercial working boats are using, it's all geared for functionality and cost effectiveness. Just paint the heck out of it so you don't have to rebuild it in a few years.
I would recommend one at each corner, the aft ones would let you tow FHjr with a functional FH, and you could strap FHjr in between fore and aft to use it as a more maneuverable tugboat instead of just pulling on a tow rope.
I would recommend one at each corner, the aft ones would let you tow FHjr with a functional FH, and you could strap FHjr in between fore and aft to use it as a more maneuverable tugboat instead of just pulling on a tow rope.
europaflyer
Member
HR'FH - if you want help, quite a few of us here are mechanical engineers and there are even some qualified naval architects around. If you post some pictures of the inside of the hulls and the interior structure then we will be able to give you some sensible, useful advice about strengthening and stiffening the boat with materials you can afford, so it can withstand a few wave impacts without flexing and breaking. Is this the sort of help you are looking for here?
If you want me to upload them for you than I'll send you a PM with my email address.
If you want me to upload them for you than I'll send you a PM with my email address.
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SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
And there we have it - the only attention he has ever paid to anything posted here and the first and only thanks he gives anyone here is the one person who tells him how to put people on ignore - as if he needed any advice on THAT.
Fucking perfeck.
HR'FH
Member
Read my post before u reply. Someone who owns a sawmill ,is different than someone that sells wood.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
HR'FH
Member
This site is like preschool revisited.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
I think he has proven many, many times in many, many ways that the ONLY help he's looking for is financial and/or cheerleading.
Reality, facts and/or truth are not on his short list.
It's an if and a hint that if such doesn't exist under deck it will have to be added. It doesn't have to be fancy though, some doublers and webs to surrounding structures could do it depending on the circumstances.
HR'FH, those of us who are engineers really need to see more details of the structure inside before we can try to give useful advice.
