65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space

Bugsy

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OK, someone help me out. I was away for the weekend and went sailing. I am just catching up.

Something here doesn't make sense. This is from the Marin IJ article:

According to Richardson Bay Harbor Administrator Bill Price, the eight-ton sailboat's anchor line wore through earlier in the week, causing it to drift over to the Belvedere shoreline, shouting distance from the multi-million-dollar homes on the exclusive community's bayfront.

"She was up against the houses in Belvedere, so it was hard to see her," Price said, noting that he helped Lane's 28-year-old son, Michael Johnson, move the beige behemoth back into deeper water.

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?

And thanks again to so many on-site observers for their input.

 

U20guy2

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If the FH is still floating at the end of Sept then Hot Rod & co should be awarded the Americas Cup, seems fair nuf & all merican to boot!
Sept - October are the calmest times of the year on the Bay. Even if he's running pumps all day FH will still be floating. Come December Marin will be hoasting a clean up your water front day removing pieces of the FH.

 

Cement_Shoes

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Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?

And thanks again to so many on-site observers for their input.
Hot Rod was in jail at the time Bill Price helped. The Viking might invite much more sympathy and thus elicit more help. Also you have to wonder if The Viking would call a professional tow company and if they could afford to pay. There does seem to be a budding tradition of helping out Hot Rod enough to get him moved out of from becoming your permanent problem.

If Bill Price helped out solely as a good neighbor and good mariner, he is a better person than I suspect I would be given the same circumstances.

 
OK, someone help me out. I was away for the weekend and went sailing. I am just catching up.

Something here doesn't make sense. This is from the Marin IJ article:

According to Richardson Bay Harbor Administrator Bill Price, the eight-ton sailboat's anchor line wore through earlier in the week, causing it to drift over to the Belvedere shoreline, shouting distance from the multi-million-dollar homes on the exclusive community's bayfront.

"She was up against the houses in Belvedere, so it was hard to see her," Price said, noting that he helped Lane's 28-year-old son, Michael Johnson, move the beige behemoth back into deeper water.

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?

And thanks again to so many on-site observers for their input.
There are people who can give more first hand accounts, what I am about to say I regard as gossip. The politics and power of the Hill People want all boats gone from the anchorage, the pretty ones too. Other neighborhoods have succeeded in clearing their scenic spots. Mr Price has to be on top of what goes on in "his bay/anchorage" or the Hill People will have reason to stir up trouble, by towing FH back and getting it re-anchored, he takes away ammo from them.

The is exactly why many of us consider FH a problem, I don't care that he built the boat, that is floats or sinks or whatever happens to it, I think its kind of neat, but as has been said before, it isn't going to end well. On its way to becoming a snack for Raccoon, the Garaj-mahol has made authorities more aware of us, and in a negative way, making them believe we are up to no good or worse, and eventually we all become a liability and the legislature will make laws restricting use of the waterway by recreation boaters.

My small circle of boating friends can't figure out why Mr Price just delayed the day of reckoning, its clear FH needs ground tackle that he doesn't have. will 15 each 15# anchors on 3/8 polypro hold the behemoth in a 20k southerly? When he inevitably takes off out of control again will he just drift harmlessly onto the shore, or through the marine preserve in the north east corner of RB, or onto other boats in the anchorage causing them to drag when they otherwise might not have, or maybe somehow it drifts SW into the way of the Sausalito Ferry. Just like when they drifted onto the Sisters during their stay off China Camp, the authorities that could have/should have put a stop to an unsafe situation, didn't. I would love to know why it wasn't immediately declared unsafe, taken to Raccoon and crunched up, if for no other reason than it hasn't got the necessary gear to anchor with. PLUS it is our understanding that no houseboats are allowed to anchor in RB, the Garajmahol is nothing but a houseboat, or even a barge and by definition seems like it can't legally be there.

 

h20man

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OK, someone help me out. I was away for the weekend and went sailing. I am just catching up.

Something here doesn't make sense. This is from the Marin IJ article:

According to Richardson Bay Harbor Administrator Bill Price, the eight-ton sailboat's anchor line wore through earlier in the week, causing it to drift over to the Belvedere shoreline, shouting distance from the multi-million-dollar homes on the exclusive community's bayfront.

"She was up against the houses in Belvedere, so it was hard to see her," Price said, noting that he helped Lane's 28-year-old son, Michael Johnson, move the beige behemoth back into deeper water.

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?

And thanks again to so many on-site observers for their input.
There are people who can give more first hand accounts, what I am about to say I regard as gossip. The politics and power of the Hill People want all boats gone from the anchorage, the pretty ones too. Other neighborhoods have succeeded in clearing their scenic spots. Mr Price has to be on top of what goes on in "his bay/anchorage" or the Hill People will have reason to stir up trouble, by towing FH back and getting it re-anchored, he takes away ammo from them.

The is exactly why many of us consider FH a problem, I don't care that he built the boat, that is floats or sinks or whatever happens to it, I think its kind of neat, but as has been said before, it isn't going to end well. On its way to becoming a snack for Raccoon, the Garaj-mahol has made authorities more aware of us, and in a negative way, making them believe we are up to no good or worse, and eventually we all become a liability and the legislature will make laws restricting use of the waterway by recreation boaters.

My small circle of boating friends can't figure out why Mr Price just delayed the day of reckoning, its clear FH needs ground tackle that he doesn't have. will 15 each 15# anchors on 3/8 polypro hold the behemoth in a 20k southerly? When he inevitably takes off out of control again will he just drift harmlessly onto the shore, or through the marine preserve in the north east corner of RB, or onto other boats in the anchorage causing them to drag when they otherwise might not have, or maybe somehow it drifts SW into the way of the Sausalito Ferry. Just like when they drifted onto the Sisters during their stay off China Camp, the authorities that could have/should have put a stop to an unsafe situation, didn't. I would love to know why it wasn't immediately declared unsafe, taken to Raccoon and crunched up, if for no other reason than it hasn't got the necessary gear to anchor with. PLUS it is our understanding that no houseboats are allowed to anchor in RB, the Garajmahol is nothing but a houseboat, or even a barge and by definition seems like it can't legally be there.
so, if I understand correctly, some Wealthy William living above the anchorage is not happy with any floaters in the bay?

Why would a Hill Billy care?

(ok bad bad joke..., but it was begging for some fun, kind of like the FH....)

 
OK, someone help me out. I was away for the weekend and went sailing. I am just catching up.

Something here doesn't make sense. This is from the Marin IJ article:

According to Richardson Bay Harbor Administrator Bill Price, the eight-ton sailboat's anchor line wore through earlier in the week, causing it to drift over to the Belvedere shoreline, shouting distance from the multi-million-dollar homes on the exclusive community's bayfront.

"She was up against the houses in Belvedere, so it was hard to see her," Price said, noting that he helped Lane's 28-year-old son, Michael Johnson, move the beige behemoth back into deeper water.

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?

And thanks again to so many on-site observers for their input.
There are people who can give more first hand accounts, what I am about to say I regard as gossip. The politics and power of the Hill People want all boats gone from the anchorage, the pretty ones too. Other neighborhoods have succeeded in clearing their scenic spots. Mr Price has to be on top of what goes on in "his bay/anchorage" or the Hill People will have reason to stir up trouble, by towing FH back and getting it re-anchored, he takes away ammo from them.

The is exactly why many of us consider FH a problem, I don't care that he built the boat, that is floats or sinks or whatever happens to it, I think its kind of neat, but as has been said before, it isn't going to end well. On its way to becoming a snack for Raccoon, the Garaj-mahol has made authorities more aware of us, and in a negative way, making them believe we are up to no good or worse, and eventually we all become a liability and the legislature will make laws restricting use of the waterway by recreation boaters.

My small circle of boating friends can't figure out why Mr Price just delayed the day of reckoning, its clear FH needs ground tackle that he doesn't have. will 15 each 15# anchors on 3/8 polypro hold the behemoth in a 20k southerly? When he inevitably takes off out of control again will he just drift harmlessly onto the shore, or through the marine preserve in the north east corner of RB, or onto other boats in the anchorage causing them to drag when they otherwise might not have, or maybe somehow it drifts SW into the way of the Sausalito Ferry. Just like when they drifted onto the Sisters during their stay off China Camp, the authorities that could have/should have put a stop to an unsafe situation, didn't. I would love to know why it wasn't immediately declared unsafe, taken to Raccoon and crunched up, if for no other reason than it hasn't got the necessary gear to anchor with. PLUS it is our understanding that no houseboats are allowed to anchor in RB, the Garajmahol is nothing but a houseboat, or even a barge and by definition seems like it can't legally be there.

OK so what's the Bad News :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

ProaSailor

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Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

This just doesn't make sense to me that Bill Price would stick his neck out so far. It might get bitten (you know, biting the hand that helps and all).

Thoughts?
Bill Price has been THE MAN in Richardson Bay for nearly two decades, as I recall. He definitely knows what he is doing and knows everything that's happening in that anchorage.

 

savoir

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snaerk

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Something here doesn't make sense. ...

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

....

Thoughts?

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You are SEW ryt !

Hoapfully the "House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)" monitorz this forum and will be onto it Direcktley !

 

h20man

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Something here doesn't make sense. ...

Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

....

Thoughts?

......
You are SEW ryt !

Hoapfully the "House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)" monitorz this forum and will be onto it Direcktley !
You guys do not read the news do you...

This is the internet... where the only one who knows if you are dog is the NSA... and they can tell you your breed and the number of times you checked this thread. And this thread IS monitored, as we have many visitors from around the world reading and posting photos.. The welcome picts could even (hell, they probably do...) have embedded secret messages... so..

not to worry..

BTW snaerk your writing definitely is being talked about as a crime in the English Writing world. Yet... I guess the HUAC is not going to challenge you, as they have more problems with the Un-American activities all the politicians are doing......... ;(

 
HR could have got further, sooner, cheaper

over his head w sumthing like this

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Steam Flyer

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Since when do "Harbor Administrators" help towing and anchoring sailboats? I can understand helping out if someone was in danger or the boat was about to sink, but I think the correct response should have been "It is your boat - get it out of here. Would you like to use my cell to call SeaTow?".

Maybe Bill Price was just trying to be nice and helpful, but he was probably WAY out of his legal responsibilities and obligations to be doing what he was doing. What if something happened during the tow? What if he advised a particular place to anchor and later the boat drags again? Is he liable?

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Answering a question with a question- is the harbormaster's responsibility to keep persons (primarily) and property (secondarily) safe & in good order (ie unlikely to come to harm in the immediate future) in his harbor? If yes, the it may well be the harbormaster's responsibility to tow a vessel that cannot move any other way, and is certain to cause harm and/or injury where it is. Calling Sea Tow or the like would basically have been an exercise in wanking without tissue... a waste of time and more likely to cause further muss & fuss.

"Is he liable?" Not in the sense that any reasonable & sensible person would blame him for the certain train wreck the HR/FH bunch is headed for. Might a court decide he's liable (assuming HR can find a lawyer to sue on his behalf), yeah well this is Amurrickah, buddy. Anybody can sue anybody for anything, and it's a dice roll what the court will decide.

Sort of the way some people here in SA feel that it's somehow -our- fault that FH is such an under-built under-equipped under-crewed kludge. Actually it would need to be improved several orders of magnitude before it could be considered a "kludge."

FB- Doug

 




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