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Livia

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Please note, letting go your chain and dropping it all in a pile and drifting back hoping it will lay out and set is not actually the general practice for anchoring in Australia......

You sure about that in the Whitsundays!

 
Lose'n steam here boys... If it's not motortrickles, then it's F Sea Tow, then something about having sex with anchors...

Where's Insane Jimmy Hot Rod Lane when we need him? Too bad Lil Murr is still chained up in the FH bilge.

 

Somebody Else

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I remember being in Florida on the ICW in the area that had lots of unmarked shifting sand shoals. The Sea Tow guys were just sitting there waiting for you to run aground so they could tow you off. Literally sitting there watching. If you asked them where the shoals were they'd ignore you.
I don't blame them.

If they give advise and it turns out to be wrong and the advisee runs aground, who they gonna sue?

"They TOLD us to go over there! They said it was safe!"

That said, I think Sea Tow and all their regional and local variations are vultures.

They serve a purpose by offering help which the government services either can no longer afford or are otherwise unwilling to offer. But since they don't get paid for just hanging around (unlike CG, Harbor Patrols, et al) they are sort of desparate for any action at all. Add to that, the fact that there is no formal training; it's basically just Bubba and his braughs with a high-torque power package, extra fuel and some pumps and tow line.

 
Nice to see everyone's holding back for sum Thread Savers by the Great One = KU

All Hail ............. KU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXCEPT a Member Search shows No KU ???? WTF
Can it be true? There is no KU??

All hail the great and generous KU (upon whose mammaries be piece!), supplier of many wond'rous pictorial representations of the female form to the forum in days past.

 
Nice to see everyone's holding back for sum Thread Savers by the Great One = KU

All Hail ............. KU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXCEPT a Member Search shows No KU ???? WTF
Can it be true? There is no KU??

All hail the great and generous KU (upon whose mammaries be piece!), supplier of many wond'rous pictorial representations of the female form to the forum in days past.

I think it's true

soooo what happened ????

KU - KU where are U

 

romaine

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Nice to see everyone's holding back for sum Thread Savers by the Great One = KU

All Hail ............. KU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXCEPT a Member Search shows No KU ???? WTF
Can it be true? There is no KU??
All hail the great and generous KU (upon whose mammaries be piece!), supplier of many wond'rous pictorial representations of the female form to the forum in days past.
I think it's true

soooo what happened ????

KU - KU where are U
I think KU got flicked and didn't bother to come back as underKU or sumpin'.

Romain

 

mikewof

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F*** Sea Tow, they will let you sink if you don't give them a credit card. Now for my all-time favorite beauty..
Q: Why did the ambulance-chasing sexual predator divorce lawyer with leprosy let his boat sink on the shoal?

A: He didn't want to risk what was left of his reputation by being seen with the Sea Tow guy.

 
Nice to see everyone's holding back for sum Thread Savers by the Great One = KU

All Hail ............. KU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXCEPT a Member Search shows No KU ???? WTF
Can it be true? There is no KU??
All hail the great and generous KU (upon whose mammaries be piece!), supplier of many wond'rous pictorial representations of the female form to the forum in days past.
I think it's true

soooo what happened ????

KU - KU where are U
I think KU got flicked and didn't bother to come back as underKU or sumpin'.

Romain

No I found Kū!

just the 2nd name under K ??

Last online 13 daz before Snaggletooth went pear shaped

SnaggleKū! :eek: :lol: :lol: :unsure: :blink:

 

Pertinacious Tom

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That said, I think Sea Tow and all their regional and local variations are vultures.

They serve a purpose by offering help which the government services either can no longer afford or are otherwise unwilling to offer.
We dropped the prop off our family fishing boat while off the Florida Keys about 20 miles in the Gulf Stream. We did not carry a spare.
Guess whose problem that was?

That's right, yours, if you were a taxpayer in the 1970s. Certainly not ours. I mean, why should we pay for our mistakes when there are taxpayers whose pockets we can pick at like a, you know, vulture.

The Coasties were very nice and were impressed with my dad's home-made radio direction finder and the fact that we actually knew where we were when we called them. Sending a boat full of guys 20 miles out into the Stream because a pleasure boater was unprepared couldn't have cost the taxpayers all that much and they should be grateful for the nice scenery provided by fishing boats heading out in the mornings. Or something.

 

redviking

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I think that is the root of my concern. If I was the local manager of the SeaTow (or equivalent) operation, and I heard that someone from some level of government was doing for free (paid for by tax dollars) what I depend on for my business, I might be a little upset.

I have seen this a few times where government, sometimes for the best of intents, goes ahead and does something that is part of a competitive business marketplace. That is usually very inappropriate.

An example, I recall a situation where a coast guard ship took a disabled ship under tow. The ship was not in immediate danger and there was no risk to the crew. But the local salvage company, who rightfully should have done this work, was mad as hell that their work was being done by the government.

I think it fair to discuss the roles of government versus private industry in moving boats or ships that are not in danger.
I think you are confused here. Sea Tow would never help out FH. It would be foolish to call them. They only help people who either pay in advance or whose boats have significant salvage value.

As a private company, Sea Tow has a right to refuse jobs as fits their whims. This is why, ultimately, they cannot be relied on to keep public waterways clear of hazards to navigation or help boaters in distress. Public employees always have to serve as a backstop. It seems pretty odd to see a communist plot in a harbor master who does not refer a job to a private towing company that he knows they would never take.
What most don't know is that SeaTow sucks when compared to TowBoatUS. Why? TBUS operators get paid for every run, while SeaTow guys may not. Go ahead, ask the next Cap'n you encounter.... TowBoat US Gold. Priceless...

 
Guy is not sure what all this tow talk is about. Grandma Hot and Guy woke up together in our sweaty embrace to Mr. Viking telling us he had managed another solo sail test and we were back anchored safe in the harbor. Guy told Mr. Viking to close the door because he was letting the stank out.

 

Monkey

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That said, I think Sea Tow and all their regional and local variations are vultures.

They serve a purpose by offering help which the government services either can no longer afford or are otherwise unwilling to offer.
We dropped the prop off our family fishing boat while off the Florida Keys about 20 miles in the Gulf Stream. We did not carry a spare.
Guess whose problem that was?

That's right, yours, if you were a taxpayer in the 1970s. Certainly not ours. I mean, why should we pay for our mistakes when there are taxpayers whose pockets we can pick at like a, you know, vulture.

The Coasties were very nice and were impressed with my dad's home-made radio direction finder and the fact that we actually knew where we were when we called them. Sending a boat full of guys 20 miles out into the Stream because a pleasure boater was unprepared couldn't have cost the taxpayers all that much and they should be grateful for the nice scenery provided by fishing boats heading out in the mornings. Or something.
The Coast Guard station in our harbor does all the towing of stranded boaters with no direct cost to the boat owner with two exceptions. They won't take the liability of pulling a boat off the beach, and there's a big fee if you admit to running out of gas.
We greatly appreciate having them around!

 

Diarmuid

Super Anarchist
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Ain't it always the way - assholes cause problems resulting in rules the rest of us have to follow.

The latest of those here is the requirement for an operators license - like a drivers license for boats. It was implemented due primarily to the havoc and deaths caused by assholes on jet skis and rented power boats.

Do you think there would be the same pressure to clear out the anchored boats in RB if the assholes with their floating garbage piles weren't there?
For a certain type of Snob Knob (seasonal) resident, Sloop, ALL our boats would qualify as floating garbage piles, messing up their viewshed. If Elena were swinging on the hook in Richardson's, they'd be on the the phone demanding Bill Price feed it to the 'Coon. "It's in my environment! Tow it out!"

Maybe the Maltese Falcon would be grudgingly admitted. Maybe not. Some folks tend to think their property rights extend well past the survey stakes. "I paid 7.5 million for this view!" Yeah, but you didn't buy the ocean, fucker. This problem is most acute in Florida, where condo owners have been waging battle for decades -- trying to ban anchoring and beach access in front of their homes. Equal public access to navigable waters and all tidal shoreline was US law before the US was the US. Barring compelling cause, no one can prevent us from anchoring or walking where we please. I kinda like that -- a rare artifact in a nation built on fences and 'POSTED -- No Tresspassing' placards.

So perhaps we should view the liveaboards in Richardson's as placeholders of a sort, maintaining the right of the public to anchor there. They are like the bum you give twenty bucks to sit in line for Rolling Stones tickets, while you are at work. ;) Not perhaps the most savory surrogate, but this I promise: if the Nobs of Saustown manage to evict the squatters, you too will find the Bay unavailable for anchoring in your middle sized, middle class boat. Cuz once the precedent is set, it's just a matter of who defines 'undesirable.' Enforce pumpout rules and basic safety requirements, but otherwise -- leave the bums in peace. Cuz to the khans up there, baby, we're ALL bums.

 

SloopJonB

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Ain't it always the way - assholes cause problems resulting in rules the rest of us have to follow.

The latest of those here is the requirement for an operators license - like a drivers license for boats. It was implemented due primarily to the havoc and deaths caused by assholes on jet skis and rented power boats.

Do you think there would be the same pressure to clear out the anchored boats in RB if the assholes with their floating garbage piles weren't there?
For a certain type of Snob Knob (seasonal) resident, Sloop, ALL our boats would qualify as floating garbage piles, messing up their viewshed. If Elena were swinging on the hook in Richardson's, they'd be on the the phone demanding Bill Price feed it to the 'Coon. "It's in my environment! Tow it out!"

Maybe the Maltese Falcon would be grudgingly admitted. Maybe not. Some folks tend to think their property rights extend well past the survey stakes. "I paid 7.5 million for this view!" Yeah, but you didn't buy the ocean, fucker. This problem is most acute in Florida, where condo owners have been waging battle for decades -- trying to ban anchoring and beach access in front of their homes. Equal public access to navigable waters and all tidal shoreline was US law before the US was the US. Barring compelling cause, no one can prevent us from anchoring or walking where we please. I kinda like that -- a rare artifact in a nation built on fences and 'POSTED -- No Tresspassing' placards.

So perhaps we should view the liveaboards in Richardson's as placeholders of a sort, maintaining the right of the public to anchor there. They are like the bum you give twenty bucks to sit in line for Rolling Stones tickets, while you are at work. ;) Not perhaps the most savory surrogate, but this I promise: if the Nobs of Saustown manage to evict the squatters, you too will find the Bay unavailable for anchoring in your middle sized, middle class boat. Cuz once the precedent is set, it's just a matter of who defines 'undesirable.' Enforce pumpout rules and basic safety requirements, but otherwise -- leave the bums in peace. Cuz to the khans up there, baby, we're ALL bums.
Believe me, we have the same thing here but worse. There is an acute shortage of moorage because the NIMBY's and greenies fight it and guess who gets listened to? People who buy water view property seem to think they have the right to control anything & everything that falls within their view. It's a similar mentality to those who move next to airports and then complain about the noise.

We had a situation here a few years back where the only safe anchorage in the city (False Creek) was turned into temporary permit anchoring only, due to the garbage scows that had taken up residence. Prior to that, when it was only well kept boats, there was no problem.

Not many people resent the sight of nice yachts anchored - some but not usually enough to cause the politicos to take action.

I think the best course of action to deal with that sort of situation is a seaworthiness test - the boats have to prove they are able to up anchor and move out within a short period of time - say a couple of hours. If they can't do that they are rafts, not anchored boats and have to get out. It also gets rid of the half sunken floats piled high with crap.

 

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