65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space
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Binnacle Bat
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He's done almost as good. Apparently the Flyin' Hawaiian is documented, so all has to worry about is the Coast Guard. No state registration required. He is still subject to CA taxes, on which I am no expert. As long as he slips under the CG radar, either by slipping up a slough in the Delta, or buying a slot amongst the Sausalito houseboats, he is good. Having splashed without a major train wreck, he is probably good to go, as long as no-one knowledgeable from the Coast Guard comes aboard and says this is not a documentable vessel, where is this and that bit of required equipment, yadda, yadda.
Bilge pumps, we don't need no steenkin' bilge pumps.
If he tries to sail across SF bay in a 20 kt breeze, he will attract the attention of the Coast Guard, if he doesn't turn into a debris field first.
Caca Cabeza
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Quick math: 6 knots ÷ (65 x 32 3,200) = 0.00000901442 x 18 hp = fail.
Back of the envelope, of course.
He could, however, enter the fourth mode, or install a flux capacitor. In either event, he has a serious risk of the front falling off in the environment.
Lastly, assumung he gets it under sail, what will it rate?
Catalina 36
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Well, he's exceeded my expectations as I was convinced it would snap in two in the slings.
So, Go the Hot Rod.
So, Go the Hot Rod.
It hasn't actually seen slings yet, so you're still good on that count.
[email protected]
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when/if this thing goes down... if any first responders are hurt or worse, this owner should go to jail, no doubt
ZeroTheHero
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it isn't illegal to be delusional. You could argue it should be but it isn't. Reckless? Not at the speeds he is likely to see :lol: .
Somebody Else
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What everyone has been seeing in the not-very-revealing construction detail pics is a distinct shortage of faying surface. This entire "boat" is so full of point loads it's scary. My favorite fix of all time is how he "tuned out" the drooping hulls on the trailer with a steel beam and some wire rope.
Timmys_Trick_Turkey
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The wire rope is probably the only thing holding the hulls together. The inner face distortion which from the stern looks like a concave of the inner face, might actually instead be a serious convex distortion at the bow, where the wire cable is attached and trying to rip itself out. In flat water and unladen, the hulls are either tearing apart outwards, or collapsing under water pressure. In a seaway, holding this boat together will be like trying to nail jelly to the ceiling. About now, he will be asking himself why he never fibreglassed the inside of the hulls, how in hell he can stop the hulls from collapsing or having the joining wire pull out, and how he will hold all three main pieces together.... My prediction is it will be back on the ramp for desperate reinforcing and repairs before that wire rips out, or in any case, before the bilge pump expires in a couple of days.
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LB 15
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Has anyone heard how the Korean shed is holding up?
shaggybaxter
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Ever watch a moment on TV that, whilst feeling compelled to leave the room, you have to stand in the doorway, horribly fascinated to see what's coming next.....
Cue please.
Cue please.
Like the stock market, Hot Rod has climbed a wall of worry. He has made it much farther then most thought and he is still at it, while many here have quietly shifted their "obviously he'll never" point a few steps.
I wonder how much farther some here may need to shift- boat is in the water, floating near it's lines with no frantic pump action and he is still hard at work. I'm rooting for him, hoping that his goals adapt and his smile continues- good on him.
I wonder how much farther some here may need to shift- boat is in the water, floating near it's lines with no frantic pump action and he is still hard at work. I'm rooting for him, hoping that his goals adapt and his smile continues- good on him.
I don't recall one person who was 100% convinced Reid Stowe would successfully circumnavigate the world in his ferro-tub.
But he did and no one got hurt. I am no fan of RS but he has sailed (well, drifted) around the world and I haven't.
Let's not underestimate creativity and determination.
That said, this boat is so seriously flawed in so many ways, I can't see it holding together for long.
The entertainment value of this thread is priceless!
But he did and no one got hurt. I am no fan of RS but he has sailed (well, drifted) around the world and I haven't.
Let's not underestimate creativity and determination.
That said, this boat is so seriously flawed in so many ways, I can't see it holding together for long.
The entertainment value of this thread is priceless!
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I also hope that his goals change. He has accomplished a great deal (not in any way that would allow him succeeding at his final goal) and it would be a shame to see it all end in an epic failure.
The boat would make a great seashore hot dog stand if it was dragged out of the water now. There is a great history of seashore follies, this could be yet one more.
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mikewof
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I'm proud of his progress and want him to do well too, which is going to be a tad difficult with a 2 square meter hole suddenly erupting in the hull of his boat where a sheet of plywood used to be.
I can't forget the sound of a tiny guy with a jackhammer pounding on the keel of my old stout boat for four hours in a storm. How is a squarish hull going to take that kind of stress with the bridgedeck concurrently clawing at the seams from the top?
What if he filled those hulls with giant inflatable sponsons? Maybe hire an industrial home foam wall insulator, just fill them up with foam then lash the bridgedeck down with steel netting?
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Dirc
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yeah, expanding and rigid foam insulation throughout the bottom 4 feet of each side is a very good idea...
I dont really know how much strength it provides when 'hard', if it is not rigid when cured, it won't do much good
lilmurray, please please update, get on board and get pics of the bilge
I dont really know how much strength it provides when 'hard', if it is not rigid when cured, it won't do much good
lilmurray, please please update, get on board and get pics of the bilge
Steam Flyer
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It also shows the value of having low standards. Most people would not go to sea at all on the Void-Ho derelict. Most people would not sail... or even want to be seen on... a catamaran with hulls that look a giant plyboard waffle iron and wires holding the hulls from splaying out.
Personally, I am eager to see him hoist his mom-made 1600 sq ft lateen sail.
I'm also doubtful but hopeful. As long as the builder perseveres, and keeps his goals flexible, he could end up at "success"
FB- Doug
Somebody Else
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That's a pretty smug attitude for you to take.
I am not the most vocal here, but I have made no attempt to hide my opinions that he would never be able to move Flyin' Hawaiian to the ramp without it collapsing on itself. I have shifted my point of failure a few steps but there was never an "obviously" anything. I freely admit to being wrong about it being moved without breaking apart.
What HotRod has demonstrated repeatedly is that he is quick on his feet, assessing a problem and addressing it and eventually that may result in some sort of seaworthy craft. At that time I expect the Flyin' Hawaiian to be more repair than original structure. That is a very common development path for grass-roots, start-with-nothing design -n- build.
As it stands there are a few observable features that one could assume apply to the parts we can't see.
- It's built more like a house than a boat.
- The fixes have all been the bare minimum to patch the immediate problem.
- All the parts we can see look under-built. Specifically rudders, steering and chainplates.
