JulianB
Super Anarchist
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Here we go again.
This did not end well for you last time, but if you wish to be slammed again, so be it, your problem not mine.
#1, the reference to speed was purely in relation to the fact that a lot of long thin bowed boats are capable of quite extraordinary speeds and the inference was that whether the bow was a punt, a scow, or a long & thin, it did not seem detrimental to top end performance in sailing boats.
One could sight Wild Oat, Comanche, Itchy Ban, even Vesta Rocket.
But I chose 49er, 29er & Vivace, because they were more relevant.
#2, re top end speeds of 29ers.
Simple fact, 29er are capable of higher top end speed than 49er, they always have, and they always will.
If you now wish to dispute top end speed of a 49er, be my guess to slam you head against into the wall, (it’s always good when you stop) there are ample race recorder records to suggest that 49er can and do often achieve speeds in the hi 20 knts. If you wish to dispute that, please do, I have better things to do than respond. Suggest you start with Emmett late in the 2000’s.
WRT 29er.
Some time in the early 2000’s I got a very elated email from an American, saying he had broken the 30 knts barrier and he had ample proof to prove it, GPS, etc ete. I congratulated him.
2005, I was at St Francis Yacht Cub, in a Protector, a few photo jornos, and one Janet Baxter who at the time was Pres of US Sailing. It was the US 29er Worlds BTW, the sailor had come around a mark somewhere up off the GG, had gybed of StFYC and where heading for Alcatraz, some jurnos asked if we could format on some back markers in gold fleet, I remember it well as we formatted on Soren, a Norwegian team who where in about 15th at the time (they had stayed in my house a year earlier, so I knew them, Sister steering, Brother in the bow), now they were 15th, Silija Letiean (Finnish) who went on to win was gapping them, someone asked how fast we were going, every instrument in that boat was telling us we were doing hi 20’s (knts), and yes there was a universal comment of Bullshit, but it was more in awr than dis-belief.
Now I was driving and I did that and I was party to that and I knew they could be quick, but that was 1st hand and I was impressed.
Since then there have been about another 8 pretty well documented accounts of teams “joining the 30knt club”. AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM. They are kids having fun. I am very well aware of one such sailor who over the last 2 months has tried to break into the club but missed out by only 0.5knts. He was telling me this, to my face, I have little doubt he will get there.
And then there where the 2018-19 HK Worlds, a particularly breezy series, bruising to put it bluntly.
If the speed off the trackers out on the track where not enough, and again, I had heard this all before, it was impressive, but to then get back home, for any of you who know Middle Island in HK and the gutter between it and the mainland where the wind picked up another 20-25%, the kids had to sail through this and rather than being terrified, they where having a ball., most made it, some ended up in tears but the shrieks of joy and the smiles on these kids faces said it all, they were having a hoot, and I have rarely ever seen boats go quite so fast.
It is of no concern to me what you believe and what you wish to believe. That’s your problem.
I know what the boats are capable of.
I am vey comfortable with my comments and have no real need to do any more.
jB
This did not end well for you last time, but if you wish to be slammed again, so be it, your problem not mine.
#1, the reference to speed was purely in relation to the fact that a lot of long thin bowed boats are capable of quite extraordinary speeds and the inference was that whether the bow was a punt, a scow, or a long & thin, it did not seem detrimental to top end performance in sailing boats.
One could sight Wild Oat, Comanche, Itchy Ban, even Vesta Rocket.
But I chose 49er, 29er & Vivace, because they were more relevant.
#2, re top end speeds of 29ers.
Simple fact, 29er are capable of higher top end speed than 49er, they always have, and they always will.
If you now wish to dispute top end speed of a 49er, be my guess to slam you head against into the wall, (it’s always good when you stop) there are ample race recorder records to suggest that 49er can and do often achieve speeds in the hi 20 knts. If you wish to dispute that, please do, I have better things to do than respond. Suggest you start with Emmett late in the 2000’s.
WRT 29er.
Some time in the early 2000’s I got a very elated email from an American, saying he had broken the 30 knts barrier and he had ample proof to prove it, GPS, etc ete. I congratulated him.
2005, I was at St Francis Yacht Cub, in a Protector, a few photo jornos, and one Janet Baxter who at the time was Pres of US Sailing. It was the US 29er Worlds BTW, the sailor had come around a mark somewhere up off the GG, had gybed of StFYC and where heading for Alcatraz, some jurnos asked if we could format on some back markers in gold fleet, I remember it well as we formatted on Soren, a Norwegian team who where in about 15th at the time (they had stayed in my house a year earlier, so I knew them, Sister steering, Brother in the bow), now they were 15th, Silija Letiean (Finnish) who went on to win was gapping them, someone asked how fast we were going, every instrument in that boat was telling us we were doing hi 20’s (knts), and yes there was a universal comment of Bullshit, but it was more in awr than dis-belief.
Now I was driving and I did that and I was party to that and I knew they could be quick, but that was 1st hand and I was impressed.
Since then there have been about another 8 pretty well documented accounts of teams “joining the 30knt club”. AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM. They are kids having fun. I am very well aware of one such sailor who over the last 2 months has tried to break into the club but missed out by only 0.5knts. He was telling me this, to my face, I have little doubt he will get there.
And then there where the 2018-19 HK Worlds, a particularly breezy series, bruising to put it bluntly.
If the speed off the trackers out on the track where not enough, and again, I had heard this all before, it was impressive, but to then get back home, for any of you who know Middle Island in HK and the gutter between it and the mainland where the wind picked up another 20-25%, the kids had to sail through this and rather than being terrified, they where having a ball., most made it, some ended up in tears but the shrieks of joy and the smiles on these kids faces said it all, they were having a hoot, and I have rarely ever seen boats go quite so fast.
It is of no concern to me what you believe and what you wish to believe. That’s your problem.
I know what the boats are capable of.
I am vey comfortable with my comments and have no real need to do any more.
jB