AC 36 Protocol

[~Stingray~~]

AUCKLAND (Reuters) - The next America's Cup regatta will be sailed in Auckland in 2021 in 75-foot monohull yachts but only if New Zealand's largest city can build the infrastructure needed to stage the regatta, holders Team New Zealand said on Friday.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/29/americas-cup-could-move-italy-if-auckland-not-ready

 

[rh3000]

The nationality rule is a joke that gives ETNZ a huge advantage. Think about it. If you have 100% citizens from 1 country, you can set up a base in Auckland or wherever the event is going to take place from day 1 and base the team at the venue. If your sailors need to gain residency, you cannot.

Precisely! This is the point - use real existing local talent and there is zero problem, or try and import talent and be ready to jump through hoops to make it work in time.

Seems like a pretty ingenious way of stopping teams getting around typical nationality rules by handing out visa/passports as a mere formality.

 

[~Stingray~~]

At https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/sailing/americas-cup-could-be-held-italy

Key dates:30th November 2017: AC75 Class concepts released to key stakeholders1st January 2018: Entries for Challengers Open31st March 2018: AC75 Class Rule published30th June 2018: Entries for Challengers Close31st August 2018: Location of the America's Cup Match & The PRADA Cup confirmed31st August 2018: Specific race course area confirmed31st December 2018: Late entries Deadline31st March 2019: Boat 1 can be launched2nd half of 2019: 2 x America's Cup World Series Preliminary Events1st February 2020: Boat 2 can be launched2020: 3 x America's Cup World Series Preliminary Events10th-20th December 2020: America's Cup Christmas RaceJanuary & February 2021: The PRADA Cup Challenger Selection SeriesMarch 2021: The America's Cup Match

 

[Tornado-Cat]

Ignore him he's fucking retarded... ETNZ specifically stated that CFD is the only way permitted to test (ie computer simulations). Real world tank/tunnel testing is banned due to the cost/access making it something that can give big budgets a massive advantage.

It mainly gives massive advantage to the team able to test 2 boats in real conditions, that means the defender.

 

[Tornado-Cat]

What's so bad about an upwind start?

Most probably no foiling start, we come back to the old mono upwind start.

 

[Miffy]

Most probably no foiling start, we come back to the old mono upwind start.

I'd understand your displeasure if catamarans were possible under the class rules. But since they're not... I hardly see upwind as being bad?

 

[jaysper]

Precisely! This is the point - use real existing local talent and there is zero problem, or try and import talent and be ready to jump through hoops to make it work in time.

Seems like a pretty ingenious way of stopping teams getting around typical nationality rules by handing out visa/passports as a mere formality.

Except it will take a year for them to have a boat ready to sail and etnz turned up 4 months before the cup and crushed everyone. 

Ruh roh! 

 

[rh3000]

It mainly gives massive advantage to the team able to test 2 boats in real conditions, that means the defender.

Possibly - but it all depends on how good your simulation tech is - seems ETNZ did fine with just one boat whilst the others had much more comparison time together and Oracle/SoftBank basically had a 2-boat setup ;-)

 

[kiwi777]

^ Oh yeah? Maybe you should tell him to give his trophy back, I'll hold you coat.....

Your right of course he won the super maxi part in 93 in Endeavor however the official Whitbread cup that year was the 60 footers. Just like now it's the VOR 65 however if Comanche took part in it I'm sure she would win line honours. Doesn't count for the real cup though.

 

[Miffy]

Except it will take a year for them to have a boat ready to sail and etnz turned up 4 months before the cup and crushed everyone. 

Ruh roh! 

Weren't you among those who thought Luna Rossa owned the cup victory and ETNZ was just a puppet challenger? Why would LR agree to rules that you seem to suggest the Kiwis would default to victory?

I guess I'm struggling to understand the arguments - because basically they don't seem internally consistent...

 

[surfsailor]

Possibly - but it all depends on how good your simulation tech is - seems ETNZ did fine with just one boat whilst the others had much more comparison time together and Oracle/SoftBank basically had a 2-boat setup ;-)

Just like ETNZ did in 2013. 

 

[jaysper]

Weren't you among those who thought Luna Rossa owned the cup victory and ETNZ was just a puppet challenger? Why would LR agree to rules that you seem to suggest the Kiwis would default to victory?

Ummm NO I wasn't. 

 

[rh3000]

Just like ETNZ did in 2013. 

;-)

 

[Tornado-Cat]

Possibly - but it all depends on how good your simulation tech is - seems ETNZ did fine with just one boat whilst the others had much more comparison time together and Oracle/SoftBank basically had a 2-boat setup ;-)

Whatever past results, the challengers can't compare their own boats or with other teams, while the defender can do it. Huge advantage and very unfair.

 

[~Stingray~~]

I wonder how much P$B would need to front, to simply beat Auckland's financial offer and get the Cup to Cagliari? It may take much and with the return value considerable for Prada.

 

[trig42]

Whatever past results, the challengers can't compare their own boats or with other teams, while the defender can do it. Huge advantage and very unfair.

Challengers can compare - in the Prada Cup.

Defenders cannot two-boat test until the Prada Cup has started either.

 

[surfsailor]

^ No, it makes total sense. ETNZ improved 10-15% racing in anger in the challenger series, the defender definitely needs an avenue to mitigate that. It's completely fair.

 

[rh3000]

Whatever past results, the challengers can't compare their own boats or with other teams, while the defender can do it. Huge advantage and very unfair.

Eh? They can with other teams - it's called racing. Meanwhile ETNZ have to sit it out and have to play in the gulf with their two boats.

Seems appropriate given:

a) ETNZ don't have a second boat by any other name like Oracle did with Softbank

b) ETNZ aren't trying to fuck around with the challenger series like Oracle did

A lot more transparent than the shit OTUSA was pulling...

 

[Miffy]

Challengers can compare - in the Prada Cup.

Defenders cannot two-boat test until the Prada Cup has started either.

With class size that large and the lamination requirement, I think most challengers won't be taking two boats to Prada Cup anyway. Won't be surprised if some syndicates only launch one boat after much more design and scrutiny. 

 

[A Class Sailor]

At https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/sailing/americas-cup-could-be-held-italy

Key dates:30th November 2017: AC75 Class concepts released to key stakeholders1st January 2018: Entries for Challengers Open31st March 2018: AC75 Class Rule published30th June 2018: Entries for Challengers Close31st August 2018: Location of the America's Cup Match & The PRADA Cup confirmed31st August 2018: Specific race course area confirmed31st December 2018: Late entries Deadline31st March 2019: Boat 1 can be launched2nd half of 2019: 2 x America's Cup World Series Preliminary Events1st February 2020: Boat 2 can be launched2020: 3 x America's Cup World Series Preliminary Events10th-20th December 2020: America's Cup Christmas RaceJanuary & February 2021: The PRADA Cup Challenger Selection SeriesMarch 2021: The America's Cup Match

What happens to those dates if it ends up in Italy?