AC36: The Match (6-15th March. Reserve days to the 21st)
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rh3000
Super Anarchist
I miss Bean Rock beer, it was a craft beer before that turned to wank... biggest squandaring of brand equity ever... was waaay to early, and give up half a decade too soon...
someday when I have more money than sense I plan on reviving it...
strider470
Super Anarchist
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
I get the rules are the rules, and athletes work them to their advantage, but jesus, these were in essence professional fouls. And it wasn't once, it wasn't event twice, it was 4 times.
It differs to the cyclors, because it was during the state of play. Teams spend years designing boats, and that design competition plays out on the race course, but during a game/ race to go and get intentionally penalised because you know you'll gain from it, and the commentators praise you for it is next level. In most sports if you get penalised you do it discretely, so as to try to avoid getting caught, but in this, to go and blatantly ignore the rules, knowing they'd be caught on TV doing it, and the commentary team praised them for it and even went as far as to say who cares about penalties!? WTF? Really?
terrafirma
Super Anarchist
Jimmy can stand proud.! He ain't the whole Italian campaign. But he has been the best thing that's happened to that team. If the Italians lose I'm sure it won't be Jimmy's doing. Today was an example of Jimmy win the starts but lose the races. Burling was the reason their boat came off the foils and after that the Kiwi boat despite having smaller foils and jib was able to go on to win the 2nd race. Let's see what happens tomorrow but we know now the Kiwi boat is considerably faster, I wouldn't be saying anymore the performance between the boats is similar. But as for Jimmy he did well today IMO...........
1eyedkiwi
Member
Wow. That was brutal for LR fans in the second race today. As exciting as it was for kiwis - we do feel sorry for you Italians and more importantly... we have been there - we know your pain. There are a few examples I can think of but probably the worst was being way ahead in a race in San Fran in which a win would have won the Cup (in a situation where Oracle were clearly faster now) - for the race to then be abandoned due to taking too long. That was a tough one.
kenergy
Super Anarchist
Sometimes simple is enough to get to the heart of a matter. If NZ are concerned about falling off the foils they will sail conservatively, hard to win starts when you are conservative.
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
Ya gotta be in it ta win it, HR.
I'm sure you Aussies would turn out for the partying droves, if you BYO.
kenergy
Super Anarchist
And there is nothing more enjoyable than reading these threads after racing has finished, it's a repeat of the rollercoaster that the races are 
strider470
Super Anarchist
They were not engaged in tight manouvering and the wind was not into marginal foiling range at the start. It was up to better or worse positioning, in my opinion of course.
kenergy
Super Anarchist
The whole start sequence in these boats doesnt seem to leave many opportunities for tight manoeuvring, and as we saw on Saturday the price for even a quick splashdown is high.
If the boats are kept for next cycle I hope there are changes made to the starting sequence.
strider470
Super Anarchist
Someone suggested going back to cat's reaching starts, others a larger starting box. For sure they have to do something and extend the prestart time. 2 min is just not enough time to see some battle.
rh3000
Super Anarchist
I've found myself heavily distracted by work, family and foiling over the last few weeks, and it's been all I can do to keep up with the posts on here, but I figured it worth giving a bit of an update for those that can't be here due to the pandemic.
Old Story - PRADA CUP LAST DAY
Firstly, I made it out onto the track for the last day of Ineos and Prada in my 4.5m 1978 Fleetline Sapphire with a mate from England. Launched from an angst-ridden Okahu bay around 2, and headed out to the sandbar by the light house for some quiet drinks before the racing started. Then skirted across to the side of the start box that looks so good on TV. Got a spot right on the boundary boy alongside a nice English gent and his family in a RIB worth about 20x my boat.
The crowd was great, a massive floatilla of ladies hitting the bubbles, and boys old and young trying to impress by diving into the water. Wing-foiler playing the rodeo clown by whipping in and out of the boats, getting cheers and just about catching beers.
Gin palaces arrive late, park in front, dump anchor and drag back onto us smaller boats. Cunts. Close to starting area, but hard to follow races once the horizon matters, so keep track on YT in the cabin, whilst the wind turns against tide and we fucking ROLL for a few hours. Sea sickness kicks in, but frequently distracted by relocating fenders every 15 mins as we try to avoid all the late cunts who've come and anchored far too close.
Enjoy bottom mark roundings to at least see deltas and boats getting close.
At the finish of the last race, we finally have the gin palace in front drag enough to crash into our boat, over our anchor line, so we decide to idle, carefully pull the anchor and wander out in front of the floatilla and sneak home. Police come over, bark at us to slow down, and tell me off for leaving my fenders out. Both AC boats towed through us, LR with their victory banner hanging from the mast - felt like a gladiator's victory march! Special moment!
Made it back to land happy to have been out on the water to experience first hand, but adamant its not a great viewing experience for those that want to closely follow the action, certainly when you are in charge of the boat, and it's not a nice tall, stable one, and it doesn't have a 65" OLED in the saloon.
Old Story - PRADA CUP LAST DAY
Firstly, I made it out onto the track for the last day of Ineos and Prada in my 4.5m 1978 Fleetline Sapphire with a mate from England. Launched from an angst-ridden Okahu bay around 2, and headed out to the sandbar by the light house for some quiet drinks before the racing started. Then skirted across to the side of the start box that looks so good on TV. Got a spot right on the boundary boy alongside a nice English gent and his family in a RIB worth about 20x my boat.
The crowd was great, a massive floatilla of ladies hitting the bubbles, and boys old and young trying to impress by diving into the water. Wing-foiler playing the rodeo clown by whipping in and out of the boats, getting cheers and just about catching beers.
Gin palaces arrive late, park in front, dump anchor and drag back onto us smaller boats. Cunts. Close to starting area, but hard to follow races once the horizon matters, so keep track on YT in the cabin, whilst the wind turns against tide and we fucking ROLL for a few hours. Sea sickness kicks in, but frequently distracted by relocating fenders every 15 mins as we try to avoid all the late cunts who've come and anchored far too close.
Enjoy bottom mark roundings to at least see deltas and boats getting close.
At the finish of the last race, we finally have the gin palace in front drag enough to crash into our boat, over our anchor line, so we decide to idle, carefully pull the anchor and wander out in front of the floatilla and sneak home. Police come over, bark at us to slow down, and tell me off for leaving my fenders out. Both AC boats towed through us, LR with their victory banner hanging from the mast - felt like a gladiator's victory march! Special moment!
Made it back to land happy to have been out on the water to experience first hand, but adamant its not a great viewing experience for those that want to closely follow the action, certainly when you are in charge of the boat, and it's not a nice tall, stable one, and it doesn't have a 65" OLED in the saloon.
Barnyb
Super Anarchist
kenergy
Super Anarchist
I've been out a few times now, and the fuckwits who turn up late and squeeze into spots they cant fit into should be sunk.
sfigone
Anarchist
Also no help from 50 Kiwis waiving flags in the light breeze just beyond the top mark. Plus I'm pretty sure there are a couple butterflies in the Amazon that can also be held responsible!dorydude said:
So unlucky for LR. I felt they kind of forced TR to drop off the foils. There was no way to pass at that point, Pete got greedy and jibed. It would not have been easy on the winward side in bad air and LR free to luff them off the foils.
LR didn't really deserve the wind they got for the rest of the race. First light enough to drop them off the foils and then windy enough that TR had no troubles staying up.
What wind speed is needed to get up and what is needed to tack? I guess there is a 1-2 kn hysteresis.
LR didn't really deserve the wind they got for the rest of the race. First light enough to drop them off the foils and then windy enough that TR had no troubles staying up.
What wind speed is needed to get up and what is needed to tack? I guess there is a 1-2 kn hysteresis.
