AC36: The Match (6-15th March. Reserve days to the 21st)

[JJD]

I don't have 30 mins for a bullshit race, no.

Something has to change with the rules when the wind drops to levels that cannot sustain foiling.

How long have you been watching the cup for? Just this round. The last couple. Every cup has races where a boat far behind comes back and wins. 
That’s exactly how Australia won it in ‘83. Dennis rounded the very last top mark fucking miles in front. Oz won. It happens. 
That race today was captivating.  
If all you wanna do is bitch about boats falling of foils then don’t watch. 
 

There was plenty of race course left to make that race a real contest right to the last tack upwind. 

others calling it a lottery are doing a disservice to both team for the skill required to stay foiling in such light breeze. 

 

[Joakim]

Totally agree, LR lost the second race with a mistake.

Did they? Hard to judge. Are there any wind data available? How much wind they had when they dropped off? How much wind there was when TR rounded the mark. TR was 2000 m behind when LR dropped so in totally different wind.

But it's clear that TR did not drop off the foils due to too low wind. It was either their mistake or forced by LR.

 

[36thLatitude]

Did they? Hard to judge. Are there any wind data available? How much wind they had when they dropped off? How much wind there was when TR rounded the mark. TR was 2000 m behind when LR dropped so in totally different wind.

But it's clear that TR did not drop off the foils due to too low wind. It was either their mistake or forced by LR.

According to their skipper the fucked up the tack

 

[rh3000]

Distracted by the on-water drama, we may have missed the off-water moves!

https://docs.google.com/a/acofficials.org/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNvZmZpY2lhbHMub3JnfGFjMzYtb2ZmaWNpYWwtbm90aWNlYm9hcmR8Z3g6NjFmZWRiNDgxMGVhYzllYQ

Basically LR wanting access to TV Control Rooms and to put an observer onboard Ian Murray's boat to keep him honest about wind limits. Talk about counter-productive! Ian Murray is the last person you want to try and remind pf the AC33 race control boat shenanigans!

LR might have screwed the pooch with the officials over this one.

 

[w3r]

Did they? Hard to judge. Are there any wind data available? How much wind they had when they dropped off? How much wind there was when TR rounded the mark. TR was 2000 m behind when LR dropped so in totally different wind.

But it's clear that TR did not drop off the foils due to too low wind. It was either their mistake or forced by LR.

Watch the presser. Blair said they gybed in a lull and through LR gas. Would have been ok with either but both was their mistake. 
 

Francisco said the tack was marginal but possible if they executed perfectly, but they made a few mistakes in the tack. 

 

[Joakim]

others calling it a lottery a doing a disservice to the skill required to stay fouling in such light breeze. 

It's not lottery but bad luck. Only option for TR to win was for LR to drop and not get up within three minutes or so. And they got the very light wind needed for that.

It remains to be seen which boat is able to stay up better in light. Now they didn't sail in at all in the same wind.

 

[Nutta]

Not the luckiest pick at the lottery for LR. Che sfiga ragazzi. Shit happens. See you tomorrow guys. Go Luna. Never say never!

I like ETNZ winning. But that was a bit of a lottery. Exciting, terrifying, disappointing and unbelievable all in one race.

Sorry that time didn't run out, as that would've been the best result I think.

 

[36thLatitude]

I like ETNZ winning. But that was a bit of a lottery. Exciting, terrifying, disappointing and unbelievable all in one race.

Sorry that time didn't run out, as that would've been the best result I think.

Like it ran out 4 ETNZ in San Diego...when we led by a country mile on match point.

 

[shanghaisailor]

Did they? Hard to judge. Are there any wind data available? How much wind they had when they dropped off? How much wind there was when TR rounded the mark. TR was 2000 m behind when LR dropped so in totally different wind.

But it's clear that TR did not drop off the foils due to too low wind. It was either their mistake or forced by LR.

It appeared quite clear that a) LR did not force an error on TR and b) it looked very much like LR fluffed a tack. It as just that the LR mistake was more costly.

These boats shave very sensitive and accurate anemometers on board so they know just what the TWS is millisecond by millisecond - no excuses. 

 

[Guest]

at this point I am calling it for ETNZ, sadly for Jimmy

 

[eurochild]

Hi, does someone know what time the dock out shenanigans go on? Or is it just when each team feels like it. Cheers

 

[alphafb552]

Just listening to the press conference, I noticed Bruni saying they made a couple of minor mistakes in that tack where they fell off the foils. While that may sound depressing for the team, it may actually be better than just accepting the fatality and randomness of the wind gods.

Making mistakes means you can learn from it and come out better and stronger next time round. So today might not be as damaging for LR's team morale as perhaps some of us might think.

Generally I think it's beginning to become clear that TR is a faster boat than LR, maybe MUCH faster. Every time they get in front, the basically stretch away significantly.

It's a great testament to team LR that they are managing to keep it as close as it has been to date

 

[Joakim]

It appeared quite clear that a) LR did not force an error on TR

Could you elaborate on that. LR did luff them and there were two options. To do a quick jibe while there still was room to go behind or be stuck. They were forced to make a choice and both options had the risk of getting off the foils.

 

[shanghaisailor]

Distracted by the on-water drama, we may have missed the off-water moves!

https://docs.google.com/a/acofficials.org/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNvZmZpY2lhbHMub3JnfGFjMzYtb2ZmaWNpYWwtbm90aWNlYm9hcmR8Z3g6NjFmZWRiNDgxMGVhYzllYQ

Basically LR wanting access to TV Control Rooms and to put an observer onboard Ian Murray's boat to keep him honest about wind limits. Talk about counter-productive! Ian Murray is the last person you want to try and remind pf the AC33 race control boat shenanigans!

LR might have screwed the pooch with the officials over this one.

Another CoR attempt to change the rules/status quo - I agree rh3000, questioning the ethics of Iain Murray or suggesting bias in coverage is a real 'spit the dummy' move and unlikely to win them any friends anywhere, never mind amongst the organisers.

Somewhat reminiscent of the Qingdao Olympic Regatta (2008) when after a capsize which irreparably damaged their boat just before the Medal Race the Dames were lent another boat by the Croatian team and went on to win gold. The Italians (that's the Olympic Committee not the sailors) complained to CAS. In the meantime the Croatians were awarded the Olympics' highest honour, the Pierre de Coubertin Medal

 

[Nutta]

Like it ran out 4 ETNZ in San Diego...when we led by a country mile on match point.

True. Still, it just didn't sit quite right. But it's in the books...

 

[strider470]

According to their skipper the fucked up the tack

Sure you listened carefully to the end? They fucked up the tack mainly because there was a drop of the wind and the manouver become extremely critical. But we will see better when the wind and boatspeed data analysis will be published, very soon. Not that this changes anything, but it is useful to understand, also for the teams.

 

[Mozzy Sails]

  On 1/16/2021 at 11:17 AM, Mozzy Sails said:
I don't have monetisation on my videos,

And on the 16th of January my videos weren't monetised. 

If you'd asked me in 2003 if I'd ever been to Portsmouth I'd have said no. Does that make me a liar in 2021?

You accuse me of plagiarising forum members and the truth is I asked permission and gave credit as requested by the persons involved.

You accuse me of not posting and just lurking. Again, not true, I've posted here more in the last two months than ever. 

You accuse me of passing off original content in here as my own, again not true. I never passed anything off as my own that wasn't. I show things that's have been created and put online here, but my views on what they show and what they mean are my own. 

"He said he wasn't doing it for money - he is......That makes him a liar, thief, and a fraud in my book.

I actually never said that. Does that make you a liar? Will you apologize? Don't worry, I  don't care what I am listed under in your book. 

It also happens to be true, I could have made more money doing the same hours with a paper round. Plus I have an extensive wardrobe collection of crappy jumpers to offset the cost of. 

 

[mako23]

Weather forecast from one of the better forecasting services

 

[shanghaisailor]

Could you elaborate on that. LR did luff them and there were two options. To do a quick jibe while there still was room to go behind or be stuck. They were forced to make a choice and both options had the risk of getting off the foils.

Really? LR luffed them? Not according to Virtual Eye where the blue dots of LR show them bearing away if anything. That's how Virtual Eye works isn't it?. 

I only think they came up on LR unexpectedly fast, are you suggesting LR slowed down to trap them? I think not.

ETNZ gybed into the disturbed air of LR.

BTW the live action confirms LR bearing away, not luffing, not unless the blue dots are wrong there too. 2cm accuracy I understand.

 

[strider470]

I like ETNZ winning. But that was a bit of a lottery. Exciting, terrifying, disappointing and unbelievable all in one race.

Sorry that time didn't run out, as that would've been the best result I think.

Mate, thanks for your message of extreme sportmanship, but you lost an America's Cup for something like that, and it wouldn't have been fair. I felt for the Kiwis at the time, since I was supporting ETNZ. This is sailing, and wind drops can happen. Not anybody fault. It is what it is! It will be bettter tomorrow. Luck comes and goes. Go Luna!!!!