AC36: The Match (6-15th March. Reserve days to the 21st)

[mauriciogfj]

Now LR need some divine help to win. San Francisco and all the other  saints, but especially him, please help us in this hour of need  

San Francisco of Assisi, Padua or Xavier? Make sure you address the right one. A jurisdiction dispute is the last thing you wanna get into at this stage.

May I suggest some additional help?
Take a look at:
https://www.catholiccompany.com/magazine/four-patron-saints-of-impossible-causes-5915

 

[cje]

s470. Yup. That is exactly what happened within my simple mind.

 That g92 vid clip is starting my 4th divorce process. 

 

[Jean-Baptiste]

Perhaps.  But it has been the Italian's mistakes that have led to their current position.  One, in a mistake during a maneuver, and now several times in a refusal to cover.  I had it pounded into my head, that once you're ahead to cover if you have the oppotunity (without sacrificing extra maneuvers).  Several times they've given up the favored side, or not covered the Kiwi's when it seemed appropriate.
 

It's particularly difficult to say if these are errors, or simply a different view into what's going on with the racecourse that's driving the decisions.  The announcers have information the boats don't, and perhaps that's a large part of it.  The Kiwis have made mistakes in the starts, but have sailed flawlessly after that.

It's fair to call Spithill an amazing tactician at the starts.  The strategy though seems to be a little lacking on the boat.

Fine but that not the question.

 

[alphafb552]

To me it looks more and more like LR is trying to keep a wild tiger caged when they're ahead. Once it gets out, all hell breaks loose.

Meaning that every mistake (minor or not) by LR is immediately and severely punished, whereas TR's speed conveniently masks such mistakes for the Kiwis

 

[Joakim]

To me it looks more and more like LR is trying to keep a wild tiger caged when they're ahead.

Bruni said something like it feels like trying to drown a fish by pushing it under water.

 

[167149]

San Francisco of Assisi, Padua or Xavier? Make sure you address the right one. A jurisdiction dispute is the last thing you wanna get into at this stage.

May I suggest some additional help?
Take a look at:
https://www.catholiccompany.com/magazine/four-patron-saints-of-impossible-causes-5915

oh dear, had  a look at that site does Ben know about St Rita i wonder

 

[strider470]

Perhaps.  But it has been the Italian's mistakes that have led to their current position.  One, in a mistake during a maneuver, and now several times in a refusal to cover.  I had it pounded into my head, that once you're ahead to cover if you have the oppotunity (without sacrificing extra maneuvers).  Several times they've given up the favored side, or not covered the Kiwi's when it seemed appropriate.
 

It's particularly difficult to say if these are errors, or simply a different view into what's going on with the racecourse that's driving the decisions.  The announcers have information the boats don't, and perhaps that's a large part of it.  The Kiwis have made mistakes in the starts, but have sailed flawlessly after that.

It's fair to call Spithill an amazing tactician at the starts.  The strategy though seems to be a little lacking on the boat.

I totally disagree. If Luna Rossa won 3 races so far, and almost other 2 that instead they lost by a hair, it was exactly for their good match racing tactics, strategy and good starts. Or do you think they did it because they have a faster boat? Or were they lucky by any means?
If today the score were 5 - 4 instead of 3 - 6 for LR because of those two races, nobody could say that the score was not deserved. But they did one error in rounding the mark in a race (ETNZ did the very same error of falling off the foils but they were in the middle of the race course where it was more windy and could recover in half the time, we are talking of minutes), and a single wrong call in the other and we are here 3 - 6.

In the last race for instance they made only one error if you want to call that so. It was more a choice, that in the end went wrong. ETNZ has been totally passive for a good part of the race and in particular in the key moment: they went to the right only because LR chose to put them there because Bruni saw less wind in that direction. Would you say that this was a smart decision from Peter Burling? They took what they were forced to take, and it was good. With these boats, finding pressure plays a huge part in gaining or losing, especially if you are not on the faster boat. That's something you can easily see on the virtual eye, but the crews can only guess information watching the water and using their instinct while sailing at a crazy speed.

Considering the speed advantage of TR, the  Kiwi crew is actually tactically under performing, while on the boat handling part they are really showing a fantastic performance.

 

[Paddywackery]

To me it looks more and more like LR is trying to keep a wild tiger caged when they're ahead. Once it gets out, all hell breaks loose.

Meaning that every mistake (minor or not) by LR is immediately and severely punished, whereas TR's speed conveniently masks such mistakes for the Kiwis

Perhaps it easier to play offense, ETNZ hunting for opportunities than defence, LRPP trying to stay in front.

 

[alphafb552]

Perhaps it easier to play offense, ETNZ hunting for opportunities than defence, LRPP trying to stay in front.

Particularly if you have a faster boat!

 

[Paddywackery]

Perhaps they are good sportsmen that realize their opponents design and sailing skills?

Agreed, good sportsmanship matters, win or lose.

 

[Salty Seacock]

Agreed, good sportsmanship matters, win or lose.

In anything, it hurts to lose in competition. Losing is failure. It's how we process and react to failure that matters. We all fail at times and the lessons from failure are greater than that from winning. When I interview people for roles, I ask them about their failures and what they learnt from them. The question is layed out carefully and deliberately to attract an honest answer. If I get back some BS light answer, they do not get the job. I want to hear about people that have picked themselves up and tried again after learning a life lesson. 

Life isn't a Tic Tok clip. It's hard as fuck. 

 

[marlowe]

Bruni is one of our best sailors ever. Have a look at his career. Very good results on laser, 49er, and more recently with the moths, where, despite his age and being involved only in recent years, he became one of the top sailors in this class. He is also quite an expert match racer. A remarkable result I daresay. His age doesn't help but I think he will have another go. Maybe swapping roles with Sibello. Who knows. In this campaign, I liked him very much.

Checco is the most personable and charming of all the helmsmen in this AC, and he has a good sense of humour. I like him.

He has seemed a bit uneasy in the last two press conferences. Maybe it's just the disappointment of loosing races they might have won but I wonder if he feels a personal responsibility.

Checco is very open and honest in admitting to errors he has made. Jimmy or Ben never do so, it's not in their nature and doesn't fit their idea of what is needed to be a winner. Pete does admit to errors but then easily shrugs them off. Is Checco dwelling on his?

Whilst Jimmy is a hired gun in his fourth AC match, Checco is the Italian leader and figurehead (on the boat). He must feel the burden of wanting to deliver for his nation and the tifosi. Is the pressure getting to him?

 

[EYESAILOR]

To me it looks more and more like LR is trying to keep a wild tiger caged when they're ahead. Once it gets out, all hell breaks loose.

Meaning that every mistake (minor or not) by LR is immediately and severely punished, whereas TR's speed conveniently masks such mistakes for the Kiwis

Good analysis.

Yes on the surface it looks like LR lost races by mistakes........but also I think they needed to be perfect in order to stay ahead.  They should have crossed to the right for better breeze than tacked and forced ETNZ back to the right.....but I wonder if part of the midset to cover was trying to keep the tiger in check.

Large mistake which lost them the race on penultimate leg.   But TNZ seem much more relaxed to stay conservative and wait for opportunity, where LR forced to take aggresive decisions to win.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Checco is the most personable and charming of all the helmsmen in this AC, and he has a good sense of humour. I like him.

He has seemed a bit uneasy in the last two press conferences. Maybe it's just the disappointment of loosing races they might have won but I wonder if he feels a personal responsibility.

Checco is very open and honest in admitting to errors he has made. Jimmy or Ben never do so, it's not in their nature and doesn't fit their idea of what is needed to be a winner. Pete does admit to errors but then easily shrugs them off. Is Checco dwelling on his?

Whilst Jimmy is a hired gun in his fourth AC match, Checco is the Italian leader and figurehead (on the boat). He must feel the burden of representing his nation and the tifosi. Is the pressure getting to him?

Checco is why I hope LR wins a race tomorrow.

But I do grudgingly admire Jimmy's motivational skills.  I think Checco feels the loss but Jimmy picks him up.

 

[marlowe]

........ We all fail at times and the lessons from failure are greater than that from winning ........

This.

 

[Paddywackery]

Checco is the most personable and charming of all the helmsmen in this AC, and he has a good sense of humour. I like him.

He has seemed a bit uneasy in the last two press conferences. Maybe it's just the disappointment of loosing races they might have won but I wonder if he feels a personal responsibility.

Checco is very open and honest in admitting to errors he has made. Jimmy or Ben never do so, it's not in their nature and doesn't fit their idea of what is needed to be a winner. Pete does admit to errors but then easily shrugs them off. Is Checco dwelling on his?

Whilst Jimmy is a hired gun in his fourth AC match, Checco is the Italian leader and figurehead (on the boat). He must feel the burden of representing his nation and the tifosi. Is the pressure getting to him?

I believe that he is feeling the burden of making mistakes that mattered and the sense of letting the team down. That's a self-imposed cruelty that you carry like a wound. And because he is personable and caring, he can't hide it or pass it off with some nonsense comment.

 

[Guest]

Good analysis.

Yes on the surface it looks like LR lost races by mistakes........but also I think they needed to be perfect in order to stay ahead.  They should have crossed to the right for better breeze than tacked and forced ETNZ back to the right.....but I wonder if part of the midset to cover was trying to keep the tiger in check.

Large mistake which lost them the race on penultimate leg.   But TNZ seem much more relaxed to stay conservative and wait for opportunity, where LR forced to take aggresive decisions to win.

All ET need is that faint sniff of clear air and they are gone, that gives huge confidence and makes up for a mistake which they rarely make. This means LR is under massive pressure, and by LR I mean Checco and Jimmy, I think they are sailing at least as good if not better than ET.  They might win one more, but I think the only reason they picked up 3 wins was that the light air favoured their aggressive tactics while ET was relying in finding a gap to unleash their boat speed. No one expected such a massive gas trail, I find that surprising but nonetheless LR used it to their advantage. With this building breeze that door has shut

 

[Paddywackery]

I believe that lessons learned, and the wounds, from SFO powered ENTZ to victory in Bermuda. 

“Experience is merely the name men gave to their mistakes.” Oscar Wilde

 

[marlowe]

I believe that he is feeling the burden of making mistakes that mattered and the sense of letting the team down. That's a self-imposed cruelty that you carry like a wound. And because he is personable and caring, he can't hide it or pass it off with some nonsense comment.

Checco and Jimmy are certainly a contrasting combination and odd couple. You can see why Max smiles to himself every time he talks about them!

Jimmy is a street fighter who believes he mustn't show an opponent any weakness.

 

[Ex-yachtie]

Checco is why I hope LR wins a race tomorrow.

But I do grudgingly admire Jimmy's motivational skills.  I think Checco feels the loss but Jimmy picks him up.

They’re a very good team. 
 

Jimmy’s turned me this time around. I e really enjoyed watching him lead and represent that team.