AC40

[MR.CLEAN]

ETNZ clearly doesn’t care about crew safety. Just look at the design of this shart-in-a-tux of a boat.

“Women? Children? Let them eat carbon - and/or drown under the twin foreskin sail. Just look at our technology that you too can have for only $2M!” - The Kiwizis

PS - You’re welcome breezie. I finally acknowledged your pathetic existence. At least take lessons from Four on how to troll. You’re not very good.

Someone earlier called the AC40 a “structurally defective” boat. Replace the word “structurally” with ”fundamentally” and you’re much closer to the truth. This is nothing more than Krusty and his Kar of Klowns trying to launch their own golden parachute business on the financial back of the AC competitors - because they can write the rules. But also because they see the writing on the wall as for their chances of hanging on to the Blinky Urinal.

The problem is, as I’ve said from the very beginning, it’s becoming more clear by the day that this boat has precisely zero chance of ever becoming an adopted class or having any success whatsoever in the private market. It’s not just a piece of junk structurally as has now been clearly shown, it’s a complete failure of fundamental design for any of the intended uses.

And all of this undermines the very thing that Krusty wants so bad - trust in his brand (I was going to say Kiwi brand, but he threw the Kiwis under his bus long ago. They should be happy at this point that he is now drinking from his own broken chalice.)

I looked at two. I don't know where you're from, but there's nothing defamatory here. It's the rambling opinion of someone with no experience as a racer or yacht designer and almost none as a sailor.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

But he's always writing the same. His posts in this thread seem to be c/p from each other. Well, it saves time, as one can scroll on.

Smack doesn't have much in the way of brains, creativity, or sailing knowledge. Sure seems like he has bipolar disorder like a few other posters here.

 

[smackdaddy]

Heh. Oh the irony. You just can’t make this stuff up.

 

[smackdaddy]

Is it? I can't really tell.

It's pretty hard to know which is the LEQ12 and which is the OD AC40.

Well, if you were to put money down as to which one is not on AP - would it be on the one that‘s consistently high and stable like in all the past videos of this thing, or the one that is porpoising like a rabid donkey with its tail on fire - and slow as hell - and losing the race - spectacularly?

 

[Mozzy Sails]

Well, if you were to put money down as to which one is not on AP - would it be on the one that‘s consistently high and stable like in all the past videos of this thing, or the one that is porpoising like a rabid donkey with its tail on fire - and slow as hell - and losing the race - spectacularly?

Well that's it, I can't really tell.

Windward boat seems to fly a bit higher on average I reckon. Leeward boat seems to move up and down a little more.

Not sure who wins the race, maybe leeward? Looks pretty shifty and gusty.

Which one do you think is on autopilot and faster?

 

[Stingray~]

It's pretty hard to know which is the LEQ12 and which is the OD AC40.

They have different livery, especially near the bow.

 

[Stingray~]

They have different livery, especially near the bow.

Oops, I take that back. They look the same starting since recently.

 

[smackdaddy]

Oops, I take that back. They look the same starting since recently.

Look at the jibs.

 

[Mozzy Sails]

Look at the jibs.

Which one do you think is the AC40 and which is LEQ12?

Which is on autopilot?

Which wins the race?

Which is going better?

 

[smackdaddy]

Which one do you think is the AC40 and which is LEQ12?

Which is on autopilot?

Which wins the race?

Which is going better?

Aren’t items 3 and 4 fairly evident in the video? And based on that, isn’t the answer to item 2 fairly evident? As for item 1, that’s secondary to the others. Though I think the headsail provides a clue as I said - that’s really just a technicality in relation to the inherently poor controllability of this boat. We have seen this problem demonstrated in many videos now. So it‘s not really some deep mystery.

 

[Dogfish]

I think the AC40 has the narrow draft stripes on the main, but did the swap mains ? Both on pilot ?

 

[Mozzy Sails]

Aren’t items 3 and 4 fairly evident in the video? And based on that, isn’t the answer to item 2 fairly evident? As for item 1, that’s secondary to the others. Though I think the headsail provides a clue as I said - that’s really just a technicality in relation to the inherently poor controllability of this boat. We have seen this problem demonstrated in many videos now. So it‘s not really some deep mystery.

So what's the answer?

 

[Stingray~]

I think the AC40 has the narrow draft stripes on the main, but did the swap mains ? Both on pilot ?

I stared for five minutes, including at the mains. The boats look identical from a distance.

 

[smackdaddy]

So what's the answer?

Gee, I don’t know Moz. You tell me.

 

[Kiwing]

Jealousy would suggest the winner of the race was the AC40 on Autopilot because these dangerous boats are too hard to sail without autopilot. Due to the poor designers of this dangerous boat the LEQ12 even on auto pilot will be slower? Am I right?

 

[Dogfish]

I stared for five minutes, including at the mains. The boats look identical from a distance.

OK freeze at 1.00 freeze again 1.15. First boat top two white draft stripes wider than if you freeze second boat at 1.15.

 

[jmh2002]

I'm not sure the video footage tells us much more than "the two boats went out and sailed together, with different crew, in different configurations, and performed various different tests, without any apparent issues".

Reading significant absolutes into what was seen may be imagining more into the situation than is the reality.

What ETNZ learned from the non visible gathered data is another matter, to which we don't have much insight.

The fact that one boat flew a little higher and looked a little less stable some of the time (in a different configuration!) - so what - that's what testing is all about, trying different things and gathering data from the outcome.

Viewers should expect to see anomalies and even failures during this phase.

 

[Stingray~]

I'm not sure the video footage tells us much more than "the two boats went out and sailed together, with different crew, in different configurations, and performed various different tests, without any apparent issues".

Reading significant absolutes into what was seen may be imagining more into the situation than is the reality.

What ETNZ learned from the non visible gathered data is another matter, to which we don't have much insight.

The fact that one boat flew a little higher and looked a little less stable some of the time - so what - that's what testing is all about, trying different things and gathering data from the outcome.

Viewers should expect to see anomalies and even failures during this phase.

Agreed. Even in optimal conditions when they are stretching their legs it is unlikely we will see and judge something like one AC40 doing 43 kts and the other doing 48 knts. And even if we did, it'd be hard to guess why the T foils boat looked faster than the one on banana foils - could be anything. But we can try!

 

[atwinda]

One of the two AC40's has a name, "te something", on at least the port stern section. Just saw it in the most recent FB post.

Either way, knowing which one is in LEQ12 vs OD mode is not helpful unless you know what they are testing. Suggesting anyone here can tell if the AP is on or off is simply foolish. The LEQ could have different foils that make the AP less stable (or any other number of probable cases). The AC40 in LEQ mode is a test platform. Generally, when you're testing two things against each other, it's ideal to reduce the number of variables. It actually wouldn't make sense to turn AP off to do speed tests unless you were specifically testing if the human is faster than the AP.

And with that bit of sensible logic, I'll leave it to the forum idiots to continue the BS train they love to ride.

 

[Stingray~]

And with that bit of sensible logic, I'll leave it to the forum idiots to continue the BS train they love to ride.

Ha ha. But what else do we have to focus on?

The AP discussion is a possibly interesting one since ETNZ may run modified versions of it, especially during LEQ testing.