Alien Anarchy

[El Borracho]

Did you by any chance read Chinese scifi/propaganda novel The Three Body Problem?

No I have not. Just read the synopsis. Interesting subject to write a novel about. I suspect humanity would destroy itself simply knowing aliens will arrive in the future.

 

[mckenzie.keith]

No I have not. Just read the synopsis. Interesting subject to write a novel about. I suspect humanity would destroy itself simply knowing aliens will arrive in the future.

It is interesting as a study in propaganda. As science fiction it is OK.
EDIT: I actually recommend it, though. I think most westerners have zero idea what China is really like. This book at least gives some insight in the sense that it has been allowed or even championed by the powers that be. Some things about it surprised me. Others fit right in with my view of things.

 

[billsreef]

You know how those alien abduction stories go, taken onto a strange ship, bright lights, being poked, prodded, things implanted surgically and then released. Well, every fish that ever found it's way onto the deck of a research vessel and lived to tell the tale to its school mates has told the very same story of alien abduction. I should know, to some of those fish I was that Alien abductor. Actually I will abducting some fish tomorrow

 

[Raz'r]

Yes and no.
It's not useful to apply conventional "common sense" to this kind of situation. The universe is a big big place, to assume that nothing happens there that doesn't also happen in Podunk is not going to lead to correct answers.

Depending on what you accept as the likelihood of life developing in the first place, no matter how small it is, when applied to the number of planets in just our quadrant of our galaxy, the odds become astronomically high that there is "life" out there.

Now apply what rational odds you can figure on life developing in a complex enough form to have what we would consider intelligence, and have the resources and the motivation to build space ships... once again the sheer size of the universe tells us that it's nearly a certainty.

OTOH we also know enough to make those odds vanishingly slim. An intelligent race that doesn't wipe itself out in war, or the odds of developing not just intelligence but also maturity to not give a fuck about space ships and buzzing the primitives... then again, as El Borracho says, there's the model suggesting the only reason they'd come here is for plunder.

In other words, I don't know; and furthermore I don't think we have enough SOLID information to place rational boundaries on the probabilities. It's either inevitable, or totally impossible!

other civilized species? Meaning technological? Sure. Almost a certainty. Around at the right time (our little radio bubble is what, 150 light years across) and close enough to find? not very likely, but in an infinite universe, it will happen an infinite number of times. Smoke that.

 

[Rasputin22]

Alien trimaran?

 

[Ventucky Red]

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Alien trimaran?

Is that the Fukushima power plant in the background?

 

[Ventucky Red]

other civilized species? Meaning technological? Sure. Almost a certainty. Around at the right time (our little radio bubble is what, 150 light years across) and close enough to find? not very likely, but in an infinite universe, it will happen an infinite number of times. Smoke that.

I think you have already been smoking something.

 

[Raz'r]

I think you have already been smoking something.

i've found it's not in my nature to understand infinity, but it's fun trying.

 

[Ed Lada]

The fact that we remain alive, free and have resources is proof enough that aliens have not visited in modern human history. There is plenty of evidence that the first thing a visiting alien does is either kill or enslave the native creatures before extracting all valuable resources. That practice is likely universal.

Wait.

Are you saying the British Empire was really aliens???

 

[Point Break]

Well……common sense……why in all the years of recorded human history has there never been a contact or reliable sighting…..if they had the technology to cross the unbelievable distances involved why in the world would they come here again and again and just drive around……why would they beam up some farmer in Kansas to look up his ass and never someone from Chicago……..

So while I think “life” on other worlds is possible…..that they have been driving around here with no concrete evidence is unlikely.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Bump-n-Grind]

 

[LewSipfher]

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Alien trimaran?

Ever read Clarke’s THE WIND FROM THE SUN?

 

[mckenzie.keith]

It is probably too much to expect anyone would actually read the article. But the article is really only claiming that an individual in a position to know and who many others will vouch for claims that "non-prosaic" artifacts have been recovered and that the recovery and study of them is being concealed from congress, effectively preventing legitimate congressional oversight. That individual has testified before a congressional committee to this effect (but the testimony is classified). Public statements he has made were cleared for him to make (he has not given away any classified information... does not mean his statements are truthful). He has retained council as a whistleblower. The story was fact-checked. The individual also asserts that recovery and study of non-prosaic artifacts is an international thing. Other countries are doing it too, and also keeping it secret. "Non-prosaic" seems to be the phrase they use for things that they suspect were made but not by human hands or using any known human technology.

I am not a UFO believer or even an enthusiast. This story caught my eye because it is far more specific and harder to dismiss than any other UFO story I have ever read. OF COURSE I AM STILL SUPER SKEPTICAL. Everyone is. Or should be. But it is definitely of interest.

There is no claim in the article of contact with alien life-forms or anything of that nature. Nobody being abducted, etc.

I would point out two things about alien shit.

1) if you are on the inside of a classified program, there are a lot of very powerful incentives for you to maintain strict secrecy even from your spouse, etc. Your entire life can be completely ruined in a variety of ways if you leak information. And to get read in in the first place, you have to disclose information about every single person in the world who might help you if you became a fugitive. Running away means pulling a Snowden, and moving some place where you have no ties.

2) Alien shit is not the kind of thing you can share with anyone without them thinking you are crazy. If I knew for a fact that an alien ship landed on top of my house last night I would never, ever tell a soul. Not even my wife. Only crazy people talk about seeing alien shit. This is also a substantial disincentive to any normal person to talk about it to anyone who has not already been read in.

I will not be surprised at all if this all turns out to be bullshit or a hoax. I will not be surprised if we never hear about it again. But it clearly represents an escalation in terms of public disclosure surrounding alien technology. And there has clearly been a shift in the US toward increased disclosure. Of course some people think that shift is actually a psy-op. Aimed at who knows what. Distracting from world events, perhaps. Or maybe there will be a bombshell announcement of a super-duper weapon based on alien technology only possessed by the US. If the Russians and Chinese believe we have such a weapon it may deter them. This could all be cover for some wild operation like that. But that sounds almost as crazy as aliens so I don't really know if I believe that either.

 

[El Borracho]

Wait. Are you saying the British Empire was really aliens???

No, but proof of behavior. I see no evidence that British behavior has changed. I suspect the frequency of British adventures in pillaging has decreased as their domestic beer has improved, and the lack of an interstellar space vehicle.

 

[Ventucky Red]

So, the question that needs to be answered is, would you hit it, that is if it didn't devour you first?

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

come to texas , there are aliens all over the place... some have even been captured in the southwest part of the state and sent to california and washington dc ... but all they do is ask if my lawn needs mowing or tree needs trimming..

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

btw , good movie

and those hot alien babes

 

[Mark_K]

 

[Steam Flyer]

yet also a way that will allow them to sell millions of dollars worth of books, podcasts, merch, appearances, and more. Everyone's gotta eat.

Not everybody reporting extraterrestial contact is selling something.
In fact most are ruining their public reputation by speaking up.

Trying to evaluate the accuracy of a report of extraterrestial contact on the basis of "Ha ha ha, that's fukken bullshit" is just dismissing something because you can't imagine it.

Out of all the dinosaurs that ever lived, what percentage of them do we have remains of?

Besides having no possibility of ever being known, how is this relevant?

Because on the subject of dinosaurs, you have some amount of knowledge but have no way of knowing how much you -don't- know... and the number of dinosaur remains found & studied is tremendously larger in proportion to the number of dinosaurs that ever lived, than the number of possible extraterrestial contacts against the likelihood of intelligent spacefaring life out in the universe.

What are the odds that you've actually been shown spaceship parts and said "That's a fake by loonies?"

Relevant to our discussion how?

In the same way that you -don't- dismiss the existance of dinosaurs millions of years ago... which you would have, out of hand, 200 years ago, as being absurdly contrary to common sense and the delusions of cranks and crazies and grifters; you dismiss the possibility of actual terrestrial contact.

Not for any rational reason, because you haven't even though about the relative probabilities in a rational way.

I've never seen a dinosaur. I have seen bones reported by credible people to be dinosaur bones. Furthermore dinosaurs are a very commonly accepted part of our public narrative.

This is not saying that extraterrestial contact -has- occured. I'm just pointing out that your reason for dismissing it is just as irrational as accepting it on faith.

 

[Mark_K]

Well……common sense……why in all the years of recorded human history has there never been a contact or reliable sighting…..if they had the technology to cross the unbelievable distances involved why in the world would they come here again and again and just drive around……why would they beam up some farmer in Kansas to look up his ass and never someone from Chicago……..

So while I think “life” on other worlds is possible…..that they have been driving around here with no concrete evidence is unlikely.

Your mileage may vary.

I see it the other way. Assuming there are spacefarers out there exploring the galaxy, and knowing the history of earth, on which for hundreds of millions of years of life, only a miniscule fraction of which would be encountered with an industrialized population. It's a fair bet that one could explore a million oxygen/nitrogen planets before one came across one where industrialization, technology, if you will, has just been born. Still sharing the planet with critters of the same species working with sticks and stones and grunting sure knowledge of the flatness of the planet.

We would have to be a rare, impossibly rare find. If there is a community of these travelers word would spread. Every egg (or whatever) head would be demanding a study tour....and getting one. Each trying to get as close as possible, an inch away from TOO close. And, like every other critter with a lick of sense, would not for any reason go to Chicago.