Alinghi Challenge AC37

[NeedAClew]

"the chaos COVID-19 has caused ESPECIALLY HERE"

What nerve. Kiwis are always going on and on about no deaths in Jacindaland with your vaunted national health system and woefully subpar health infrastructure,  how important that is, how other countries in the Americas and Europe fuck up with our massive deaths. How lives matter more than money. 

So now with so few deaths there and all those deaths in European countries being touted as venues, you toss off a remark that New Zealand has had especial chaos?!?  Spain, Italy had a horrendous time of it. Yet Kiwis claim they want to host.  Guess those bodies were not chaotic. Lower value of life ya know.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

@enigmatically2 and @Gissie You two are a couple of moaners aren't you!? Kiwi's don't care where its held as long as we win. 

We all understand the chaos Covid 19 has caused, especially here.

Summer festivals are being cancelled, concerts are being cancelled or delayed at least 12 months, Kiwi sports teams are either basing themselves overseas, or spending months abroad because they can't get home due to the lack of MIQ spaces available, Kiwi citizens are stranded overseas for the same reason, and here you are moaning about the unlikelihood of a home defence.

There's no difference between Team NZ Challenging overseas or defending overseas. The fact is the cup returns to NZ, and stays here in NZ until someone beats us. Its only the regatta being held overseas. We've had 2 defences here already. Kiwi's know and understand the effect Covid 19 has had on upcoming events. Because of this, those who support the team understand the reason why it is unlikely to be defended here.

Only those who never really supported the team are kicking up a fuss about it. But they're also the ones who have in the past, and will again, moan about it being held here too because its a waste of taxpayers money. They don't matter.

If the AC is held in 2024 I agree with you it's unlikely to be in New Zealand!

HOWEVER if AC37 gets delayed to 2025 NZ might have enough Cash & Funds to stage it in Auckland possibly with a new Government because I don't see Ardern getting reelected.

 

[sunseeker]

Spoken like a true loser.

Better get back under that bridge of yours because you're gonna see a whole lot more Kiwi winning!

What does Dalton’s asshole taste like? You get your whole tongue in there?

 

[Forourselves]

"the chaos COVID-19 has caused ESPECIALLY HERE"

What nerve. Kiwis are always going on and on about no deaths in Jacindaland with your vaunted national health system and woefully subpar health infrastructure,  how important that is, how other countries in the Americas and Europe fuck up with our massive deaths. How lives matter more than money. 

So now with so few deaths there and all those deaths in European countries being touted as venues, you toss off a remark that New Zealand has had especial chaos?!?  Spain, Italy had a horrendous time of it. Yet Kiwis claim they want to host.  Guess those bodies were not chaotic. Lower value of life ya know.

Ugh, the fact is, Auckland and now Waikato is locked down. We have rising case numbers and no end in sight. And no plan announced by the Government outlining how we're getting out of it. The Government has "abandoned" its elimination approach, conceded we may never get back to 0 cases, and has thrown literally all of its resources behind getting the nation vaccinated. Those resources include mandating vaccination for specific sectors including education and ECE, as well as frontline staff such as Doctors, nurses and healthcare workers, and a soon to be announced Vaccination passport plan. 

We still have very few deaths, still far from triple figures, but Kiwi's are paying the price. Businesses closing, closed borders, freedoms taken away, kids not going to school, meaning parents trying to work from home while caring for and educating their children.

We are going into summer here and events are being cancelled and/ or delayed, we don't even know what the next few summer months will look like yet. So chaos? Yes.

 

[Forourselves]

What does Dalton’s asshole taste like? You get your whole tongue in there?

You seem to be obsessed with tasting assholes, sucking cock and men cumming. 

Something you wanna tell us?

Hey, no judgement, each to their own, its 2021 after all.

Its ok lol

 

[Gissie]

If the AC is held in 2024 I agree with you it's unlikely to be in New Zealand!

HOWEVER if AC37 gets delayed to 2025 NZ might have enough Cash & Funds to stage it in Auckland possibly with a new Government because I don't see Ardern getting reelected.

Never happen. Election still two years out, no way even one4theteam could keep justifying venue announcement that long.

Plus, why would a new government decide to use political capital on a bunch of pro's with no loyalty.

And surely one of the many overseas venues will have fronted hundreds of millions in the next week...

 

[Forourselves]

What does Dalton’s asshole taste like? You get your whole tongue in there?

Enough with these bullshit comments. I'll own you every time, so don't try and pretend to be some tough guy that by your own admission "only talks this way on here" because that in itself just makes you look like some immature, insecure little shithead that has to pretend to be a tough a guy on the internet because he isn't one in real life.

 

[NeedAClew]

NZ had well over a year of bliss and normalcy to figure out what to do to rejoin the world.  There was no urgency, the world was full of cases and deaths and NZ had its fortress to wait and see. Well you got overtaken by events. Your leaders never got how Delta was a new deal and if they eventually did didn't communicate it to you all. Chaos? Sure but just the same scramble other countries went through and are going through. Only NZ is a day late and a dollar short. NOT EXTRAORDINARY AT ALL ON A WORLD SCALE. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD 

"We got covid" is not a very good excuse when talking to people from other countries.

 

[Forourselves]

NZ had well over a year of bliss and normalcy to figure out what to do to rejoin the world.  There was no urgency, the world was full of cases and deaths and NZ had its fortress to wait and see. Well you got overtaken by events. Your leaders never got how Delta was a new deal and if they eventually did didn't communicate it to you all. Chaos? Sure but just the same scramble other countries went through and are going through. Only NZ is a day late and a dollar short. NOT EXTRAORDINARY AT ALL ON A WORLD SCALE. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD 

"We got covid" is not a very good excuse when talking to people from other countries.

I agree in part, Yes, the Government was somewhat Naïve when it came to the Elimination strategy.

We did manage to eliminate Covid last year. We had 0 cases for months. 

Perhaps they thought they could eliminate the Delta strain just like they did the first time, and for a short time, it did look like it might happen, until the Auckland border was breached and the virus escaped Auckland into the Waikato.

Still, other countries like the US and the UK were in the position they were because their leadership and a large portion of their community were stupid and selfish. It was almost self inflicted, especially in the US and to a certain extent, the UK, because their leaders were idiots. Trump was a fool, and Boris Johnson didn't take it seriously until he caught the virus himself.

Still, NZ right now, compared to pre Covid and even last year, is experiencing a level of chaos we haven't seen in a long time.

So we got covid, perhaps because we were naive, other countries got Covid because they were stupid

 

[NeedAClew]

Naive or stupid or evil, it's all chaos and not special.

You want special, that was March-May 2020, people dying, figuring out treatments, how best to ventilate and when, how it was transmitted....all unknowns. That was special.

 

[Forourselves]

Naive or stupid or evil, it's all chaos and not special.

You want special, that was March-May 2020, people dying, figuring out treatments, how best to ventilate and when, how it was transmitted....all unknowns. That was special.

I never said it was special.

I just said it was chaos. Which it is.

And its the main reason why the AC isn't being hosted in NZ.

 

[Gissie]

And its the main reason why the AC isn't being hosted in NZ.

Really? So if the government turned around and offered 300 mill , no strings, Dalts would politely turn it down. 'Sorry Jacinda, but it would be to difficult to run the event in three years time because there might be a problem with the border.'

Hahahaha, you really do stretch things. Work in the advertising profession?

 

[Forourselves]

Really? So if the government turned around and offered 300 mill , no strings, Dalts would politely turn it down. 'Sorry Jacinda, but it would be to difficult to run the event in three years time because there might be a problem with the border.'

Hahahaha, you really do stretch things. Work in the advertising profession?

But they didn't offer 300 mil did they. Infact not even close. If the Government could offer 300 mil, maybe they might have offered it. Maybe if Covid didn't exist they would've, so maybe if Covid didn't exist the AC would be held in NZ.

Bottom line, none of that happened so there's no point in talking about it. You can speculate what ever you want based on your tin foil hat theories and grievances with Dalton, but none of it is real world. Its just in your head.

Whats happened in real life is Covid happened, events, sports and entertainment have been cancelled globally, NZ borders are still closed, NZ citizens are still stranded overseas because they can't secure MIQ spaces, the AC is the least of the Governments priorities, so it would be fiscally irresponsible to offer anything more than they already have, meanwhile, Dalton has a job to do as CEO of his AC team.

 

[Gissie]

But they didn't offer 300 mil did they. Infact not even close. If the Government could offer 300 mil, maybe they might have offered it. Maybe if Covid didn't exist they would've, so maybe if Covid didn't exist the AC would be held in NZ.

Bottom line, none of that happened so there's no point in talking about it. You can speculate what ever you want based on your tin foil hat theories and grievances with Dalton, but none of it is real world. Its just in your head.

Whats happened in real life is Covid happened, events, sports and entertainment have been cancelled globally, NZ borders are still closed, NZ citizens are still stranded overseas because they can't secure MIQ spaces, the AC is the least of the Governments priorities, so it would be fiscally irresponsible to offer anything more than they already have, meanwhile, Dalton has a job to do as CEO of his AC team.

Anyone that thinks NZ will still be closed to the world is a total idiot. To claim it is the problem is just being silly.

The problem was, and still is money. The offer was to low, as the team said at the time. It was even stated that the amount needed to be at least 200 for the team to stay. Zero talk about border problems.

When Dunphy made his move, it was all about the reality of the money. If he could show it was real, then it would be seriously considered. Zero talk of the border being the main problem.

Yet you claim that it is. That even if the government offered piles of loot, the border is the problem, not money.

Or would you yet again tack over and tell us how the border was just a clever negotiating tactic.

 

[Forourselves]

Anyone that thinks NZ will still be closed to the world is a total idiot. To claim it is the problem is just being silly.

The problem was, and still is money. The offer was to low, as the team said at the time. It was even stated that the amount needed to be at least 200 for the team to stay. Zero talk about border problems.

When Dunphy made his move, it was all about the reality of the money. If he could show it was real, then it would be seriously considered. Zero talk of the border being the main problem.

Yet you claim that it is. That even if the government offered piles of loot, the border is the problem, not money.

Or would you yet again tack over and tell us how the border was just a clever negotiating tactic.

Border problems or no border problems, the offer was low because of Covid.

The border is irrelevant. You keep harping on about the border. The border is closed now, because of Covid.

The Government offered what they could because of the Covid problem. 

Plain and simple.

 

[Gissie]

Border problems or no border problems, the offer was low because of Covid.

The border is irrelevant. You keep harping on about the border. The border is closed now, because of Covid.

The Government offered what they could because of the Covid problem. 

Plain and simple.

You are the one that has been harping on about how the borders make it impossible to run the event here. 

Perhaps lay off the sauce a little.

 

[Forourselves]

You are the one that has been harping on about how the borders make it impossible to run the event here. 

Perhaps lay off the sauce a little.

Ugh, what I said was the Border issues are part of the Covid problem right now.

You decided to cherry pick parts and only focus on them.

Thats your problem. You don't look at the bigger picture. Just your little vendetta against Dalton.

The Government offer was based on the current Covid environment. Even Dalton said that.

Dalton said "The Government offer was completely reasonable given the current environment"

The Government offer could only be based on what they already know, on whats already happening, not what might happen, or what they think could happen.

It would be completely irresponsible to make an offer based on predictions of what might happen in 4 years.

Right now, the borders are closed due to Covid. This is part of the current Covid environment in NZ.

The border issues are part of the Covid problem which is the main consideration in regards to the Government offer to Team NZ.

 

[Gissie]

Ugh, what I said was the Border issues are part of the Covid problem right now.

You decided to cherry pick parts and only focus on them.

Thats your problem. You don't look at the bigger picture. Just your little vendetta against Dalton.

The Government offer was based on the current Covid environment. Even Dalton said that.

Dalton said "The Government offer was completely reasonable given the current environment"

The Government offer could only be based on what they already know, on whats already happening, not what might happen, or what they think could happen.

It would be completely irresponsible to make an offer based on predictions of what might happen in 4 years.

Right now, the borders are closed due to Covid. This is part of the current Covid environment in NZ.

The border issues are part of the Covid problem which is the main consideration in regards to the Government offer to Team NZ.

:lol: Spin away dear man.

 

[Forourselves]

:lol: Spin away dear man.

No spin here. Its not my problem that you can't see reality past your little vendetta/ grievances with Dalton.

Wake up.

 

[Gissie]

No spin here. Its not my problem that you can't see reality past your little vendetta/ grievances with Dalton.

Wake up.

My only grievance is the ease of his actioning the event off, no vendetta. He had little plan to stay, the search was started well before the racing. To now come up with every idea in the world to justify it doesn't change the fact.

The first reaction was how shortsighted Jacinda and Goff were, now it was a perfectly reasonable offer. Spin away.