Alinghi Challenge AC37

[Rennmaus]

Just in:


 

MEDIA INVITATION
 
SOCIÉTÉ NAUTIQUE DE GENÈVE
37th America’s Cup
 
The Société Nautique de Genève (SNG) has the pleasure
to invite you to a press conference
to share its plans for the 37th America’s Cup.
 
Tuesday, December 14th, 2021 at 11:00am CET
at Société Nautique de Genève,
Quai de Cologny 1
1223 Cologny
  

Due to Covid-19 restrictions, we invite you to participate either on site – where there is a ceiling on numbers – or online, with the possibility to interact and ask questions in either environment.
 
Key people involved in the future Challenge will be present.
 
We look forward to meeting you soon.
 
Pierre Girod, Commodore SNG
Axel Meyer, Vice-Commodore SNG

 

[dogwatch]

So much for all the rumours and speculation about other clubs.

 

[enigmatically2]

@RennmausIs it you personally that received that invitation. Can we collectively come up with any questions for you to ask?

 

[Rennmaus]

@RennmausIs it you personally that received that invitation. Can we collectively come up with any questions for you to ask?

Yes, please, I hope, I'll get an online slot and the chance to ask questions.

 

[enigmatically2]

Yes, please, I hope, I'll get an online slot and the chance to ask questions.

Immediate thoughts:

1) What has caused them to re-enter this time around?

2) What do they expect to gain from the F1 tie-up?

3) Do they feel that F1 tie-ups will be decisive enough that anyone without one will be at a significant disadvantage?

4) How do they feel about the protocol restricting the boats for AC 38?

But I'm sure collectively we can improve on those

 

[Xlot]

https://farevela.net/2021/12/09/americas-cup-alinghi-conferma-la-societe-nautique-de-geneve-per-la-sua-sfida-il-14-dicembre-la-conferenza-stampa/

Partnership with Red Bull confirmed, also BB in

 

[shebeen]

Immediate thoughts:

1) What has caused them to re-enter this time around?

2) What do they expect to gain from the F1 tie-up?

3) Do they feel that F1 tie-ups will be decisive enough that anyone without one will be at a significant disadvantage?

4) How do they feel about the protocol restricting the boats for AC 38?

But I'm sure collectively we can improve on those

a) who's going to drive?

b)any tie in with the SailGP team?

c)how significant are your disadvantages as a new entrant against the teams who did AC36?

d)do you seriously expect us to believe the answer to a) is Ernesto??

 

[NeedAClew]

a) who's going to drive?

b)any tie in with the SailGP team?

c)how significant are your disadvantages as a new entrant against the teams who did AC36?

d)do you seriously expect us to believe the answer to a) is Ernesto??

Betcha Ernesto is on the boat at least some of the time.

 

[Stingray~]

I wonder if the Protocol clauses sailor-restriction-wise about time spent in-country, prior employment within a sailing team, etc, would also apply to (say) Alinghi? Guessing not, but maybe?

Anyway, great to see this official confirmation coming. I wonder if Red Bull or UBS will be the headline sponsors?

 

[dogwatch]

I wonder if the Protocol clauses sailor-restriction-wise about time spent in-country, prior employment within a sailing team, etc, would also apply to (say) Alinghi? Guessing not, but maybe?

Why would you be guessing not? The restrictions seem almost precisely aimed at Alinghi.

 

[Stingray~]

Why would you be guessing not? The restrictions seem almost precisely aimed at Alinghi.

I guess you're right. Maybe I was trying to wrap my head around if only sailors who have specifically been employed precisely by Alinghi on their various recent racing circuits are eligible. Psarofaghis (sp?) for example? 

Must be dependent on the precise Prot wording agreed to by CoD/COR..

 

[dg_sailingfan]

@shebeen

Rumour has it that Arnaud Psarofaghis will be the Helmsman of Alinghis AC37 Challenge.

 

[shebeen]

@shebeen

Rumour has it that Arnaud Psarofaghis will be the Helmsman of Alinghis AC37 Challenge.

Who else could it be? He handled jumping into SailGP incredibly well.

 

[dogwatch]

I guess you're right. Maybe I was trying to wrap my head around if only sailors who have specifically been employed precisely by Alinghi on their various recent racing circuits are eligible. Psarofaghis (sp?) for example? 

Must be dependent on the precise Prot wording agreed to by CoD/COR..

See protocol 30.2. Nationality is based on either being a passport holder or being resident at least half-time over a 3 year period in March 2018-2021 i.e. prior to the AC37 cycle. It's got nothing to do with having been employed by a team. Psarofaghis was born in Switzerland so at a guess, he is a passport holder.

 

[accnick]

See protocol 30.2. Nationality is based on either being a passport holder or being resident at least half-time over a 3 year period in March 2018-2021 i.e. prior to the AC37 cycle. It's got nothing to do with having been employed by a team. Psarofaghis was born in Switzerland so at a guess, he is a passport holder.

There is also this key qualifier:

30.2      Nationality criteria
For the purposes of Article 30.1, a crew member shall be deemed to be a “national” of a country if 
they satisfy any one (or more) of the following criteria:

(a)      such crew member held a valid passport (or other valid proof of citizenship accepted by 
ACE) of the country of the yacht club that the Competitor represents as at 17 March 2021; or

(b)      such crew member was physically present in the country of the yacht club that the 
Competitor represents (or acting on behalf of such yacht club at the venue for AC36) for a total of 
548 days between (but excluding) 17 March 2018 and 18 March 2021. If
 

Hmmmm.... I wonder who might benefit from that particular carve-out?

 

[enigmatically2]

Only just noticed that the nationality rule was carefully written to ensure that pretty much any sailor in Ac36, irrespective of which country they represented or their nationality, could represent NZ for AC 37, because of the time they spent in country between those dates.

No such options the other way of course

 

[JonRowe]

Hmmmm.... I wonder who might benefit from that particular carve-out?

I'm not sure what the twist would be but I think the intent is that AC teams could keep their sailors "as was" from AC36 if they wanted

 

[floater]

Betcha Ernesto is on the boat at least some of the time.

I guess there's more than one way to interpret it - either foolish or admirable (or perhaps both - of course it was both!) the way Ernie doggedly kept the helm as USA just walked away in that final race.

 

[Forourselves]

Only just noticed that the nationality rule was carefully written to ensure that pretty much any sailor in Ac36, irrespective of which country they represented or their nationality, could represent NZ for AC 37, because of the time they spent in country between those dates.

No such options the other way of course

So contrary to what you've said till now, the Nationality rule isn't as restrictive as you've said.

Sailors can hold a passport, sail for the team they were with last time, reside in another country for a certain amount of time, or sail for NZ.

Plenty of options.

 

[shebeen]

So contrary to what you've said till now, the Nationality rule isn't as restrictive as you've said.

Sailors can hold a passport, sail for the team they were with last time, reside in another country for a certain amount of time, or sail for NZ.

Plenty of options.

I'm sure Tom Slingsby doesn't like his options. He looked good at Moth worlds, pity he can't play here.

Only guy with a few choices is Goodie, he has three (maybe four) possibilities. Most sailors have one, or none at all.