Forourselves
Super Anarchist
All they have to do is beat us. Its that simple.
Everyone bags the champion, simply because they aren't the champion.
Beat us, do what you want. Lose, do what you're told.
Its that simple.
Alinghi Challenge AC37
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Everyone bags the champion, simply because they aren't the champion.
Beat us, do what you want. Lose, do what you're told.
Its that simple.
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
Waa waa boo hoo blah blah Daltons being unfair.... spoken like a true loser.
Win or STFU.
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
Monkey
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Umm…. The U.S. has won so many times I can’t be bothered to count. ABNZ is just a blip on the radar in the history of the cup.
enigmatically2
Super Anarchist
I think it's good if the waves are going to be bigger. Comes back more towards "real" sailing where you have to deal with a variety of conditions.
It will still be foiling and so it's good that V2 arms will be longer; it may help keep them above the BCN chop.
What we do not want to see is races where one or both boats are not foiling, it makes a complete farce of the race given the speed difference between foiling vs displacement in these boats. We saw that disaster in Auckland and we see it too often in SailGP too. The only 'real' sailing in foilers is when you are foiling!
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
Oh so you don't wanna talk about "modern times" anymore, as was in your original comment? thought so.
jaysper
Super Anarchist
Whilst I agree with you that these three are appalling, they are hardly the only ones and it is hardly only kiwis.
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
jaysper
Super Anarchist
That's a completely nonsensical statement because kiwis have been a part of pretty much every modern era team. The same could be said of Australians.
Forourselves
Super Anarchist
Look, its real simple... always has been, always will be. All you have to do is win.
Once you win, you get to set the rules according to the governing document. Thats literally ALL a team has to do.
There's nothing else to it.
To the winner go the spoils.
To the loser goes the opportunity to get better and win.... or quit.
Its that simple.
You can complain about "behaviour" all you want, but its pissing into the wind. Its irrelevant, its useless. You can get on your high horse and bitch till the cows come home, but thats not going to win you the Cup, as LR have found out time and time again.
As the saying goes in the AC "There is no second place"
Its about winning.
Once you win, you get to set the rules according to the governing document. Thats literally ALL a team has to do.
There's nothing else to it.
To the winner go the spoils.
To the loser goes the opportunity to get better and win.... or quit.
Its that simple.
You can complain about "behaviour" all you want, but its pissing into the wind. Its irrelevant, its useless. You can get on your high horse and bitch till the cows come home, but thats not going to win you the Cup, as LR have found out time and time again.
As the saying goes in the AC "There is no second place"
Its about winning.
Varan
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Fair winds...
Semi-related, it seems Patrizio B's son is more involved than before in the LR campaign. Maybe a succession of that kind will happen here too, wrt Alinghi.
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
A blip, ya say? More like 9 on the Richter scale I'd say.
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
ARBR getting hammered by the sea state again.
RG comments on key points, October 21, 2022:
Luna Rossa gets on the water for the first time since the 2021 America's Cup to conduct foiling tests of their LEQ12 surrogate yacht.
Alinghi Red Bull Racing continued test sailing off Barcelona in the AC75. They ran into an increasing breeze and awkward sea state, terminating the session with the breeze at 17kts, and making some spectacular contact with the confused seas and significant swell.
Emirates Team NZ did another short sailing session, in moderate breezes in the AC40, without incident. They confirmed that they will take delivery of their second AC40 before Christmas.
American Magic did not sail
Brits yet to reveal their LEQ12, surrogate yacht and are presumed to have their AC40 delivered from China.
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RG comments on key points, October 21, 2022:
Luna Rossa gets on the water for the first time since the 2021 America's Cup to conduct foiling tests of their LEQ12 surrogate yacht.
Alinghi Red Bull Racing continued test sailing off Barcelona in the AC75. They ran into an increasing breeze and awkward sea state, terminating the session with the breeze at 17kts, and making some spectacular contact with the confused seas and significant swell.
Emirates Team NZ did another short sailing session, in moderate breezes in the AC40, without incident. They confirmed that they will take delivery of their second AC40 before Christmas.
American Magic did not sail
Brits yet to reveal their LEQ12, surrogate yacht and are presumed to have their AC40 delivered from China.
Cup Spy: Alinghi Red Bull Racing hits turbulence
Alinghi Red Bull Racing turned an interesting display of sailing in a rather turbulent Barcelona seastate. Designer Marcelino Botin, agreed afterwards that the the swell and chop could have a big effect on the design of team raceboats for Barcelona 2024.
MR.CLEAN
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It's pretty easy to count. The last time an American driver won was 2007. Other than that, the skipper/driver/tactician positions are all kiwi/aussie since 1995, which is just a tiny bit before the US olympic sailing program turned into a pile of steaming shit. American dollars win international sailing events. Americans? Not so much.
1995: Coutts/Butterworth
2000: Coutts/Butterworth
2003: Coutts/Butterworth
2007: Baird/Butterworth (Coutts unlawfully excluded, received multi-million dollar settlement)
2010: Coutts/Spithill/Ashby
2013: Coutts/Spithill/Ainslie
2017: Burling/Ashby
2021: Burling/Ashby
shebeen
Super Anarchist
Don't know why I am engaging here, but you'll have to take Coutts off the boat for 2010 and 2013. John Kostecki gets a tactician slot in both of those.
Also JS could be considered an american driver depending on how you want to look at nationality.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Dang, somebody had an unhappy childhood.
Anybody with an attitude like that deserves to play alone.
