Anyone seen this farce, too bad they didn't have a sailing expert on hand when they filmed it. Let me start, leave the hatch open when it's raining or in a storm, why not have the dodger up?, when hit and water comming in did not turn on the bilge pump when going topside where is the bucket (best bilge pump a scared man with a bucket), where is the dingy?, wait until the middle of the squall to put up the storm jib, there are more you see any?
All Is Lost
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An hour and 40 mins of my life that I'll never get back.
blackjenner
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From a review I wrote:
All Is Lost, a film starring Robert Redford, where he utters only a few lines on screen, is well worth seeing. Though I had seen some sailors complaining about the movie on various fronts, I decided to see it anyway.
Why? Sailors are a curious bunch. Some have little experience, some have crossed great oceans, some just happen to own boats that never really leave the marina. In that spectrum of being a sailor, there is one thing they seem to have in common. They all have an opinion; be it about anchors, anchoring, dinghy selection (how to spell dinghy), what sails to use, whether to use a drogue in heavy weather, how far to travel off shore when heading south along the pacific coast; it's a continuum of surety in opinions that are sometimes informed and sometimes not.
Translated, this means that ten sailors, when faced with a hypothetical situation, will argue for ten different solutions to that problem. When faced with the story of another sailor, they will frequently proclaim from on high that their solution is the only one and the other sailors solutions are borne out of ignorance. It's a combination of the fact that there is often not one "right way" to solve any problem and the propensity for sailors to engage in what amounts to intellectual dick sizing.
Such is the case with the reviews of the actions of the sailor (we never know his name in the movie) in All Is Lost.
There are also criticisms of the movie too, for continuity and other reasons. Let's just leave aside the fact that bashing one of the most decent and realistic sailing movies, even though it has flaws, doesn't exactly support the complaint of, "why don't we see more good sailing movies? They all suck!" This movie does not suck. You don't have to like it but, it does not suck.
All Is Lost gives us a pretty realistic portrayal of a sailor facing his death at sea.
Is the sailor perfect? Does he always make the right decisions? Is he equipped and practiced enough for the voyage he is currently undertaking? That decision being; sailing alone, crossing oceans, with times when no one is on watch. He is not perfect and neither are all his decisions. Are you? I'm not.
We don't know why he is out there in a Cal 40 that looks quite worn and under equipped.
The movie starts off with a calamity that could have been wholly prevented, were someone on watch.
From there we see him quietly, sometimes grimly, attempt to solve each problem as it presents itself. Some of his solutions are good, some not.
There is damage to the boat, equipment failures, tactical decisions, injuries, some plain blind luck, and rotten luck.
Then again, luck isn't something that just happens to us. It's the product of our experience, preparedness and mindset. If we are lacking in some or all of those things, we have bad luck.
The sailor has bad luck.
Sometimes he is capable and makes decisions I would make. At other times, I'm not so sure I would take his course of action. Still other times, it's something I would not do. Then again, I have not been out there. Since he is in the middle of the Indian Ocean, he got there so, he's seen and done things that I have not -- yet.
The sailor's bad luck doesn't make the movie bad. It turns the movie into a classroom, with lessons piled upon lessons, some of them brutal and direct, some of them subtle and hidden. It will take more than one watching to get them all.
Is the movie without continuity errors? No. Is it the perfect example of a prepared and experienced offshore sailor, facing the ocean with a high level of competence, serving as a perfect example to the public of how we wish to be seen? No.
And that is not a bad thing.
One can pick at the movie. One can even pick at Redford for his perceived liberalism (yes, some have done so already but that has nothing to do with an actor's portrayal of a man lost at sea).
One thing that is true is that we are watching a man at sea, one who is where most of us will never go, dealing with each turn against him with a quiet determination that most of us would be lucky to demonstrate were we in his situation.
And, Robert Redford is perfect in this role.
And the lessons...the lessons. That is why it's worth watching.
All Is Lost, a film starring Robert Redford, where he utters only a few lines on screen, is well worth seeing. Though I had seen some sailors complaining about the movie on various fronts, I decided to see it anyway.
Why? Sailors are a curious bunch. Some have little experience, some have crossed great oceans, some just happen to own boats that never really leave the marina. In that spectrum of being a sailor, there is one thing they seem to have in common. They all have an opinion; be it about anchors, anchoring, dinghy selection (how to spell dinghy), what sails to use, whether to use a drogue in heavy weather, how far to travel off shore when heading south along the pacific coast; it's a continuum of surety in opinions that are sometimes informed and sometimes not.
Translated, this means that ten sailors, when faced with a hypothetical situation, will argue for ten different solutions to that problem. When faced with the story of another sailor, they will frequently proclaim from on high that their solution is the only one and the other sailors solutions are borne out of ignorance. It's a combination of the fact that there is often not one "right way" to solve any problem and the propensity for sailors to engage in what amounts to intellectual dick sizing.
Such is the case with the reviews of the actions of the sailor (we never know his name in the movie) in All Is Lost.
There are also criticisms of the movie too, for continuity and other reasons. Let's just leave aside the fact that bashing one of the most decent and realistic sailing movies, even though it has flaws, doesn't exactly support the complaint of, "why don't we see more good sailing movies? They all suck!" This movie does not suck. You don't have to like it but, it does not suck.
All Is Lost gives us a pretty realistic portrayal of a sailor facing his death at sea.
Is the sailor perfect? Does he always make the right decisions? Is he equipped and practiced enough for the voyage he is currently undertaking? That decision being; sailing alone, crossing oceans, with times when no one is on watch. He is not perfect and neither are all his decisions. Are you? I'm not.
We don't know why he is out there in a Cal 40 that looks quite worn and under equipped.
The movie starts off with a calamity that could have been wholly prevented, were someone on watch.
From there we see him quietly, sometimes grimly, attempt to solve each problem as it presents itself. Some of his solutions are good, some not.
There is damage to the boat, equipment failures, tactical decisions, injuries, some plain blind luck, and rotten luck.
Then again, luck isn't something that just happens to us. It's the product of our experience, preparedness and mindset. If we are lacking in some or all of those things, we have bad luck.
The sailor has bad luck.
Sometimes he is capable and makes decisions I would make. At other times, I'm not so sure I would take his course of action. Still other times, it's something I would not do. Then again, I have not been out there. Since he is in the middle of the Indian Ocean, he got there so, he's seen and done things that I have not -- yet.
The sailor's bad luck doesn't make the movie bad. It turns the movie into a classroom, with lessons piled upon lessons, some of them brutal and direct, some of them subtle and hidden. It will take more than one watching to get them all.
Is the movie without continuity errors? No. Is it the perfect example of a prepared and experienced offshore sailor, facing the ocean with a high level of competence, serving as a perfect example to the public of how we wish to be seen? No.
And that is not a bad thing.
One can pick at the movie. One can even pick at Redford for his perceived liberalism (yes, some have done so already but that has nothing to do with an actor's portrayal of a man lost at sea).
One thing that is true is that we are watching a man at sea, one who is where most of us will never go, dealing with each turn against him with a quiet determination that most of us would be lucky to demonstrate were we in his situation.
And, Robert Redford is perfect in this role.
And the lessons...the lessons. That is why it's worth watching.
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A great sailing movie is 'Wake of the Red Witch' starring John Wayne who as we know was a yachtsmen and sailor. The Duke insisted on reality In The sailing scenes. And what the Duke says, goes. And there is an SA connection because Bob Perry's dad was technical director for sailing scenes. You all should see it. It was a cool sailing movie before the ORR rule, and before sailing movies were cool.
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Best sailing footage ever in a movie ..... Captain Courageous (1937). Fishing Schooners in HEAVY seas. Bowsprits flexing to da max. If you haven't seen that film yet, bad on you.
Thank god he had a sextant in the liferaft! ...and what was up with the tack of the jib? ...what was he going to attach the storm jib luff to? ...was that polyester catalyst he was adding to West Marine epoxy resin??? It was a terrible. My wife and I could barely hold down our popcorn.
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