Americas Cup, Race 16 and 17

[Kingstonsail]

What happens if they cant get 2 races in today? 3 Tomorrow? extend to Wed? First to 8 points?

there will only ever be 2 races per day MAX.....and the regatta can go on with 2 or fewer races per day until someone reaches 9 points.....

there will never be a first to 8 points.....

if the next 5 days are cancelled due to weather...they could be racing on the weekend.

the only thing set in stone is FIRST to 9 POINTS....

 

[burbanite]

BREAKING

There is apparently a CHANGE in the Rules for the 34th America's Cup.

ACEA CEO Stephen Barclay is reporting on it's Twitter Account that the Race Committee has decided to "Not Start a Race" if the Wind Speed is below 10 knots because of the 40-Minute Time Limit

stephen barclay ‏@stephenjbarclay 1h

we are in for a light day at #AmericasCup maybe 12knts at 13:15 PDT races will not start in less than 10knts due to time limit

I wondered about this myself. Although it makes some sense, was this because of the teams agreeing? I still don't think the course could be completed in 12 knots.

 

[Sean]

Looking pretty grim at the moment. At least it's trying to swing around, was due east not long ago.

From Sailflow

 

[easyrider]

What happens if they cant get 2 races in today? 3 Tomorrow? extend to Wed? First to 8 points?

there will only ever be 2 races per day MAX.....and the regatta can go on with 2 or fewer races per day until someone reaches 9 points.....

there will never be a first to 8 points.....

if the next 5 days are cancelled due to weather...they could be racing on the weekend.

the only thing set in stone is FIRST to 9 POINTS....

thanks. that's what i figured but hadn't read thru SI's to see it myself.

 

[Te Kooti]

BREAKING

There is apparently a CHANGE in the Rules for the 34th America's Cup.

ACEA CEO Stephen Barclay is reporting on it's Twitter Account that the Race Committee has decided to "Not Start a Race" if the Wind Speed is below 10 knots because of the 40-Minute Time Limit

stephen barclay ‏@stephenjbarclay 1h

we are in for a light day at #AmericasCup maybe 12knts at 13:15 PDT races will not start in less than 10knts due to time limit

Wow! Finally, they do something sensible.

Extending the time limit would be better.

But this is better than repeating the injustice of the other day.

Tomorrow!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11128988

 

[jnavas]

Looking pretty grim at the moment. At least it's trying to swing around, was due east not long ago.

From Sailflow

SailFlow is hugely reliable. Always cross-check with other sources; e.g., PORTS:

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/arnssummary.shtml?port=sf

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ports/textscreen.shtml?port=sf

 

[jnavas]

BREAKING

There is apparently a CHANGE in the Rules for the 34th America's Cup.

ACEA CEO Stephen Barclay is reporting on it's Twitter Account that the Race Committee has decided to "Not Start a Race" if the Wind Speed is below 10 knots because of the 40-Minute Time Limit

stephen barclay ‏@stephenjbarclay 1h

we are in for a light day at #AmericasCup maybe 12knts at 13:15 PDT races will not start in less than 10knts due to time limit

Wow! Finally, they do something sensible.

Extending the time limit would be better.

But this is better than repeating the injustice of the other day.

Tomorrow!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11128988

Extending the time limit won't happen due to TV scheduling. [sigh]

 

[kenergy]

ETNZ brings code zero, ORUSA no spirit, light wind downhill run, big pass by ETNZ....

Game over.

I'm allowed to dream.

 

[DRP]

Aren’t more AC viewers finding these whiners complaining about the time limits more that annoying? One guy asks what happens if they finish in 41 minutes? What a stupid question. They don’t finish. The race is abandoned. Kind of like when the last shot in a basketball takes place one-tenth of a second after the buzzer, or a play in football that starts after the buzzer… It doesn’t count.

Time limits in sailing are not unheard of or even unusual. In fact, it is the norm. Even the lowly Wednesday night beer can race around here has a time limit. I’ve never heard of them changing that rule because a boat almost finished in time.

The 40 minute rule was put in the current AC rules primarily for TV. Period. LE didn’t sneak it in so he could cheat. All the competitors know the rule and the reason for it. Please stop with the conspiracy theories.

This racing has been incredible to watch. Enjoy it. I certainly have.

By the way, a big thanks LE… He has invested a considerable amount of his own time and money into this and put on the most incredible AC I have seen.

 

[bwana]

What happens if they cant get 2 races in today? 3 Tomorrow? extend to Wed? First to 8 points?

there will only ever be 2 races per day MAX.....and the regatta can go on with 2 or fewer races per day until someone reaches 9 points.....

there will never be a first to 8 points.....

if the next 5 days are cancelled due to weather...they could be racing on the weekend.

the only thing set in stone is FIRST to 9 POINTS....

Actually, they can't race this weekend because of the St. Francis YC's Big Boat Series. In fact, they can't race Thursday or Friday either. ACEA says if the Cup isn't wrapped up by Wednesday, they'll take a four-day lay day.

 

[~Stingray~~]

Looks like OR has the big sprit today

http://instagram.com/p/enIcKLx0fY/#

 

[Kingstonsail]

What happens if they cant get 2 races in today? 3 Tomorrow? extend to Wed? First to 8 points?

there will only ever be 2 races per day MAX.....and the regatta can go on with 2 or fewer races per day until someone reaches 9 points.....

there will never be a first to 8 points.....

if the next 5 days are cancelled due to weather...they could be racing on the weekend.

the only thing set in stone is FIRST to 9 POINTS....

Actually, they can't race this weekend because of the St. Francis YC's Big Boat Series. In fact, they can't race Thursday or Friday either. ACEA says if the Cup isn't wrapped up by Wednesday, they'll take a four-day lay day.

you are correct....

.I was merely trying to explain that although the "official" America's cup website schedule only goes to wednesday..that indeed the regatta will continue until a winner is declared...a 9 point winner....

 

[Enzedel92]

I sure hope that ETNZ will try something different today if they find themselves behind at the first mark yet again. Either a gybing duel, or maybe even a head fake where they have the guys run across the trampoline and fake OR into gybing, then continue on their way for a split.

ENTZ was awful downwind yesterday. OR had better gybes. Upwind ENTZ was fine.

Then there were the tactics. In the first race, ETNZ breathing down OR's neck. Maybe even to get the hook - they were pointing much lower. Could have really put the pressure on OR but they gybed away?

Oh little did we know the gybe away would become common theme in that days races,

They gybed away 2 more times!!!!!!! when on OR's ass!!!!

FFS!!!!!

Stop gybing away!!!

 

[easyrider]

ok thanks. Picture getting clearer.

 

[Enzedel92]

BREAKING

There is apparently a CHANGE in the Rules for the 34th America's Cup.

ACEA CEO Stephen Barclay is reporting on it's Twitter Account that the Race Committee has decided to "Not Start a Race" if the Wind Speed is below 10 knots because of the 40-Minute Time Limit

stephen barclay ‏@stephenjbarclay 1h

we are in for a light day at #AmericasCup maybe 12knts at 13:15 PDT races will not start in less than 10knts due to time limit

Based on what authority???

The protocol says 3-23 knots.

 

[Enzedel92]

SW's email blast subject line: "America's Cup - Oxygen Masks have dropped from the ceiling"

Thats funny there! :lol:

 

[chauch]

I hope they have some sense to not start a race when you can't finish. The fact that such a construct exists is not by any one reason, but because of different decisions made at different times for different reasons. It created a dead end that no one really realized until it happened in a race.

And when it happened it royally sucked.

It would be great to see some sense come to at least that clearly identified issue with the race rules. And I think both teams would agree. KR said on Saturday that *both* teams were adamant that the races only start in stable conditions rather than fluky ones. And as KR said, that means they both think they can beat the other boat. I love that.

 

[~Stingray~~]

from http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/matthew-sheahan/535315/americas-cup-the-longest-ever

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Today breaks all records in the 162 year old America's Cup as the longest Cup match in history. Today is the 17th day, the previous longest was in Auckland in 2003 when the Cup, which was then a best of nine series, ran for 16 days.

Interestingly, this series has only lost two full days of racing so far (compared to 10 in one stretch in 2003) and when you look at the top 10 closest finishes in the history of the Cup, this event has no less than four, a further emphasis of just how extraordinary and tight this match has become.

But as a friend who has seen plenty of Cup action mentioned to me on the way in this morning, for all the new gloss of the new Cup world, it is still underpinned by the old Cup world.

In the new world of strict formats and tight deadlines for TV and audiences, the last available day of the regatta would be the end, whatever the score. But the ways of the world still reign thank heavens and the match will only be concluded when the appropriate number of races have been won. In this case nine.

So what are the chances of racing today?

The forecast breeze is worryingly light and at the moment, blowing from the wrong direction, the east. According to Iain Murray there are conflicting forecasts but his best guess was 9 to 10 knots to start with building to 14knots and possibly 18 knots by the end of the 2nd race if there is one.

contd

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[maxmini]

Arent more AC viewers finding these whiners complaining about the time limits more that annoying? One guy asks what happens if they finish in 41 minutes? What a stupid question. They dont finish. The race is abandoned. Kind of like when the last shot in a basketball takes place one-tenth of a second after the buzzer, or a play in football that starts after the buzzer It doesnt count.

Time limits in sailing are not unheard of or even unusual. In fact, it is the norm. Even the lowly Wednesday night beer can race around here has a time limit. Ive never heard of them changing that rule because a boat almost finished in time.

The 40 minute rule was put in the current AC rules primarily for TV. Period. LE didnt sneak it in so he could cheat. All the competitors know the rule and the reason for it. Please stop with the conspiracy theories.

This racing has been incredible to watch. Enjoy it. I certainly have.

By the way, a big thanks LE He has invested a considerable amount of his own time and money into this and put on the most incredible AC I have seen.

Agreed , but your logic will not be understood by those here with blinders on .

 

[floater]

lighter conditions are forecast, yet still strong enough to conduct racing. But if today was patchy, tomorrow could be worse, adding pressure to both teams who have no margin for error.

from: http://www.americascup.com/en/news/3/news/18372/oracle-team-usa-extends-34th-americas-cup-with-four-consecutive-wins

It was already warming up in the central valley when I came down from Tahoe this morning, and it was clear and sunny when I came in over the bay bridge, so I would tend to think that the front has passed and the normal system is starting to set up again, which should result in stronger and more reliable breezes.

except its still easterly...