Cal20sailor
Super Anarchist
Like the way you educated yourself on Covid before rambling on incoherently about how it is similar to the flu? By far the DUMBEST and most IRRESPONSIBLE comments made in the history of this site.
"An eviction tsunami"
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Pertinacious Tom
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Pertinacious Tom
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In eviction ripple news, One of the Country's Last Eviction Moratoriums Is Struck Down
Having to evict someone is a disaster for a landlord, not something anyone is yearning to do. It never got close for me. The worst pandemic effect that I've seen has been otherwise good tenants being a bit late, nothing that would make me want to lose them, let alone evict them. I'm sending another year renewal to one of those today. Another is month-to-month so I could get rid of her any time, but I haven't and won't.
We happen to have two of the "limited number" of landlords affected here on the forum, but the "tsunami" turning out to be a ripple really isn't a big surprise to me. Landlording discussions online focus on the problems, of course, but there's a pervasive desire to work things out to keep tenants if possible, or do a "cash for keys" arrangement or something if they really have to go.
Jeff and Cliff have both shared their troubles with the moratoriums.
Having to evict someone is a disaster for a landlord, not something anyone is yearning to do. It never got close for me. The worst pandemic effect that I've seen has been otherwise good tenants being a bit late, nothing that would make me want to lose them, let alone evict them. I'm sending another year renewal to one of those today. Another is month-to-month so I could get rid of her any time, but I haven't and won't.
We happen to have two of the "limited number" of landlords affected here on the forum, but the "tsunami" turning out to be a ripple really isn't a big surprise to me. Landlording discussions online focus on the problems, of course, but there's a pervasive desire to work things out to keep tenants if possible, or do a "cash for keys" arrangement or something if they really have to go.
ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
You (Plural) want to see homelessness quadrupling and people with kiddies out on the streets?
In winter?
God bless America.
In winter?
God bless America.
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Sea warrior
Super Anarchist
That’s a bizarre and naïve statement.
Many landlords are small business operators who rely on the rent of the units to pay the mortgage.
Without the rent, the building will get foreclosed and for many landlords, that means that the bank will come after their own home to pick up any shortfall in the sale of the building.
In short, the consequences of tenants not paying their rent can lead to homelessness for both landlords and tenants.
Landlords are not charities, they are in the business of providing a service to the population who choose to rent rather than buy for whatever reason.
Why should it be against the law to walk out of a store without paying for goods and services but ok to not pay your rent?
The government should address the problem of social housing and not foist their problems disproportionately onto small business owners.
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ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
Very true.
But then from whom would the "small business owners" like Jarad Kushner wring the last drop of blood?
Sure it's a problem for small landlords, but its their own fault if they haven't secured their own home before borrowing to buy investments. People like Mike who have inherited two properties and are using the rents from those to pay their own mortgage on a McMansion should have thought it through.
Evicting good tenants for rent debt is another poor business choice.
It's all very well to say that once the pandemic is over or risk reduced that people can get back to work and pay rent arears, but rent is not the only debt they will have and from a low income start, it could, with the best will in the world, take years to pay all their accrued debt.
Landlords should be willing to negotiate repayment their rent arrears and take a short term hit . It's better than getting no rent at all on an empty property and risk losing a good tenant in exchange for a debt you'll never get back, an empty house and possibly a bad new tenant. AND throwing another family into the inescapable poverty downward spiral.
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
I finally got my cunt of a "tenant" out this past weekend. She was ruled evicted by the court back in Oct, but was given a grace period where if she got out by the next Friday (1 Week), he would not file the eviction against her record. She said fine, she would leave. And then the very next monday appealed, which held up the entire process. We just had the appeals hearing two weeks ago and was again told by the judge to GTFO because she didn't meet any grounds for appeal, but he again gave her the week to clear out and he would not file the eviction against her record. We also offered her money, deposit back, etc to get her to leave the place clean and undamaged. She agreed to meet me at the house this past Sunday at 1pm to turn over the keys. Of course she was a no show and I had to get a locksmith to open the house and change the locks. This is what we walked into this.......
I have never seen a more disgusting, filthy sight in my life. The 1 year old refrigerator is going to have to be tossed as it smells like there is a dead body rotted inside. The new GE Profile stove we put in a year ago is so disgustingly caked with burned on food that our cleaner says she'll never get it clean enough to use again. Half eaten chicken bones from KFC in the bedroom. Food everywhere on the floor. And this was not an anomaly. Everytime I went over there to do anything, the kitchen was a filthy health hazard. She was a fat white trash girl who lived in her own filth.
We had had a few late payment issues with her in the past when she had fallen on hard times. But after enough chasing, she usually made it back up. As soon as covid and the moratorium hit, she immediately took advantage and just stopped paying. Cold. And ignored any calls to figure out how to catch her back up. She would then tell the usual tale..... "I've lost my job, I was in a car accident, blah blah blah". But we knew she had a good job. In mediation, she said she would pay $500 over the current rent if she could stay, but offered no money to catch up the back rent. We knew it was her usual stall tactic. She was denied for the COVID rental assistance because she made too much money. The Marshall who ran the court pulled us aside after the 2nd time in court to evict her said in any normal times, she would have been gone in weeks or LEO would have shown up at her door and dragged her out into the street and then locked her stuff in the house. He said now with the sensitivity around covid and evicting people, Judges have been bending over backwards to make it reasonable for the tenant who might be in a bad spot. But he said he sees more like my white trash bitch just trying to capitalize on the situation and landlords like me trying to work with them, than people who are down on their lock and Landlords who are just being dicks.
Fuck her and the box of twinkies she rode in on!!! And @ShortForBob - I'd be tickled pink if this lying bitch were homeless during Christmas and living under an overpass in the snow. She deserves everything she gets. With an eviction on her record in this tight market, I'd be surprised if she could rent an abandoned crack house.
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
Edit to add.... meanwhile she went on an Amazon shopping spree for all kinds of stuff like Flat screen TV's and lots of other electronics. All of the boxes were dated after she stopped paying rent. Cunt!
Thanks for solidifying my commitment to never be a landlord. Of course, I find myself as a landlord for my father's house, but I get no rent and pay the taxes and insurance, as the tenant is my father's cousin, who he promised to care for. She's sweet. Her dogs are doing a number on the floors however. Oh well.
justsomeguy!
Super Anarchist
It's a different era in landlording nowadays. Ever since the economic recession the "roll of the tenant dice" has turned up a lot more snake eyes than not.
valis
Super Anarchist
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So got that, landlords? It's your own damned fault, and evicting for not paying rent is a bad business practice. Just renegotiate. I'm sure that ShortForBob will be glad to help you figure it out.
A long time ago I owned two houses, and rented one out at a quite reasonable rate. Ended up with a lousy tenant who didn't pay, and trashed the place. Threatened to sue me when she slipped on her own garbage. It was not a friendly, or speedy, eviction. Never again.
I've seen similar enough to understand, and hate humanity. The smart tenant can stall out the clock and trash your property for months. I recall having to repaint because roaches came out at night and stuck to the fresh paint. Frozen pipes are so much fun because some deadbeat leaves overnight January. Broken toilet because the boyfriend was too drunk to stand. A buddy did commercial maintenance and saw ceiling lights full of water because the vanity upstairs had been leaking for months.
I've also looked at bankruptcy claims and noticed how many had jewelry and other non essential purchases on the list of creditors. Meanwhile, I've never seen a penny from a bankruptcy settlement. Bring back debtor's prison, or better yet the pillory.
No, I will never rent residential again. Far too much headache, without bleeding heart librarians trying to claim the landlord is cruel for expecting financial compensation for letting the tenant trash his property.
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ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
Yeah Jeff, We've all had bad tenants.
What I learned from the landlord experience is be carefull who you let too and don't leave it in the hands of an agency that is a big renal agency.
either manage it yourself or get a good small agent to do it for you.
My best tenant was a single Mum who though sometimes was a bit late with the rent, looked after the property as if it were her own. She lived in my house for 5 years. I didn't increase the rent for all of that time and she saved enough to buy her own. Win win.
Sea warrior
Super Anarchist
I feel for ya and it’s a shame that the courts not only allow but facilitate this type injustice.
I hate to say it, but that property looks clean in comparison to the state I found one of my apartments this year.
I won’t post pictures yet because of litigation issues but I will say this, I’m a grown man who’s seen his share of shit but when I discovered how bad the situation was I actually cried for the children who were subjected to the filth and horrid conditions by their mother.
I am getting the fuck out of the rental business as soon as possible
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ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
I've been a tenant. Every landlord I've ever had has found or even made an excuse to keep my security deposit.
Every home I've ever rented was left cleaner by 100% than when I moved in.
1) had a flea infestation that only became apparent after we moved in. The landlord said fix it yourself. Then my foot went through the rotting floorboards in the bathroom. Never was fixed. When we left, the landlord kept the deposit and his excuse was "damage to floor"
2) Left the apartment pristine, all woodwork skirting boards washed etc. When the landlord met us to inspect the property on vacating, there were dead leaves scattered all over the floors, he said he'd have to get a cleaner in. He'd put them there. We said "see you at VCAT" he paid up.
3) Apartment in Salibury. UK. Absolutely filthy when we moved in. Had to pay rent on a holiday home, while it was being cleaned. (Still a but grubby)
When we left, I washed the walls, the woodwork cleaned the oven etc. Pristine.
The landlord said he was taking the deposit for some water damage from a leaking skylight that had damaged an old cupboard and to clean the flat.
We were back in Oz and couldn't do much about it.
4) When we first saw the house, it was a bit grubby but had two sets of beautiful glass doors between the lounge and dining room and the lounge and hallway.
When we moved in, they'd been removed. I asked for them back. He said he's removed them so the kids wouldn't break them. (my kids were 17 and 21) it would cost me $500 to re install them. I paid it because without doors, the place was unheatable. When we left, he said he was taking $500 out of the deposit to remove them again and $200 for tidying up the garden. (the garden was weeded and mowed, but I'd left a pile of leaves in one corner to mulch)
When I visited the property 2 months later to pick up mail, the doors were still in situ.
So pardon me if I have an unsympathetic view of landlords, But my experience has been
Tenants 50/50 good bad
Landlords universal thieves.
Every home I've ever rented was left cleaner by 100% than when I moved in.
1) had a flea infestation that only became apparent after we moved in. The landlord said fix it yourself. Then my foot went through the rotting floorboards in the bathroom. Never was fixed. When we left, the landlord kept the deposit and his excuse was "damage to floor"
2) Left the apartment pristine, all woodwork skirting boards washed etc. When the landlord met us to inspect the property on vacating, there were dead leaves scattered all over the floors, he said he'd have to get a cleaner in. He'd put them there. We said "see you at VCAT" he paid up.
3) Apartment in Salibury. UK. Absolutely filthy when we moved in. Had to pay rent on a holiday home, while it was being cleaned. (Still a but grubby)
When we left, I washed the walls, the woodwork cleaned the oven etc. Pristine.
The landlord said he was taking the deposit for some water damage from a leaking skylight that had damaged an old cupboard and to clean the flat.
We were back in Oz and couldn't do much about it.
4) When we first saw the house, it was a bit grubby but had two sets of beautiful glass doors between the lounge and dining room and the lounge and hallway.
When we moved in, they'd been removed. I asked for them back. He said he's removed them so the kids wouldn't break them. (my kids were 17 and 21) it would cost me $500 to re install them. I paid it because without doors, the place was unheatable. When we left, he said he was taking $500 out of the deposit to remove them again and $200 for tidying up the garden. (the garden was weeded and mowed, but I'd left a pile of leaves in one corner to mulch)
When I visited the property 2 months later to pick up mail, the doors were still in situ.
So pardon me if I have an unsympathetic view of landlords, But my experience has been
Tenants 50/50 good bad
Landlords universal thieves.
justsomeguy!
Super Anarchist
ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
Well I just gave you a few examples of thieving and greedy landlords in my excerience, just like Mike and Jeff et al have given a few examples of bad tenants
Maybe it's the agents maybe it's the landlords. My son's agent is excellent, but then again they give a percentage of all commissions to homeless and DV shelters and their staff camp out in the city once a year to raise funds for the same. Pretty rare.
The bottom line is that making decent people homeless, does nothing than ruin their lives in all sorts of ways (bad credit records, poor rental risk etc) for years and add to the societal burden for possibly generations.
A property owner can get back on their feet, they have assets.
An indebted tenant with kids can put 2 generations under water.
justsomeguy!
Super Anarchist
Perhaps I should tell you I've been a landlord for almost 30 years, so I may be biased.
That depends on their current status in the building of their business. Some landlords are building those assets from a single house while working "regular" jobs.
Early in their careers is a tentative time where if the tenant can't pay, there's a very real chance that the mortgage won't get paid.
It can be a veritable house of cards, and the banks play the same game.
It boils down to "you pay, you stay. You don't, you leave."
ShortForBob
Super Anarchist
Sure, I've been a landlord too, paying off two houses mine and a rental. I was an easy going Landlord simply because I've known too many of the other kind.
When the property market is as hot as it's been in Australia, frankly you could rent your place for nothing and still make 5-10% PA on your investments. No need to squeeze tenants.
Point is one has to plan for an empty property as well as repairs etc . Don't do it if you cant take a hit or, worst case, have enough equity in the rental to sell if you must.
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