Anchor Geekdom

[Ishmael]

I know a real sailor with a Bruce anchor BUT his name is Bruce so I can't help but think that's some New Age harmonic convergence with some juju or other. 

Do you think Saw Q has a Saw Q R?

 

[slug zitski]

Someone unwilling to expand on his ideas - hardly useful.

It seems both Starzinger and Thinwater have been subject to threats of litigation - this seems not to have been recognised as the feature of investigative work and not something one should point out.

It also appears that Thin has not agreed with some of Steve's work, one wonders why he has been reticent - well actually one would not wonder - raise the slightest negativity and you become THE bad apple.

Progress is not made by 'yes' men.

But you do like to find a. bad apple - the mob likes someone to pillory - so much pleasure.

You damn the Bruce anchor.  Much loved in the UK (and people don't use devices that are a liability), was a sufficient threat to the CQR that Simpson Lawrence developed the Delta.  Very successful design, certainly in larger sizes and the designer went on to develop a company with a most successful range of anchors some based on the original concept.

Maybe consider - why do you damn Bruce yet others still praise the idea.  It is still found on bow rollers of yachts that cruise distant inhospitable shores.  

Anchors are an internet fetish 

ive used a Bruce for many years.. no complaints , fast set , excellent holding power 

same with CQR

on a small boat with small anchors things could be different 

anchors  are all about their ability to penetrate and fluke size 

a small anchor just doesn’t have the weight to penetrate 

 

[Saw Q]

As he is also "Neeves" on the YBW forum he is a Brit. 

Giving him attention is probably the wrong approach.

This is meant to be a thread on anchors and anchoring.  No wonder Steve does not post - you have lost your focus.   If you cannot get your information correct - you are on the wrong thread

 

[Saw Q]

Yes, everyone on this thread kindly put him on ignore.

You've said this previously - no-one is going to listen, or take notice, if you resist taking your own advice

 

[Zonker]

Pound for pound, there are better anchors than Bruce. I've seen one with a coral boulder so stuck in between the flukes that the owner had to pry it out with a hammer and pry bar. Took at least an hour (I gave up watching)

 

[robtoujours]

Anchors are an internet fetish 

ive used a Bruce for many years.. no complaints , fast set , excellent holding power 

same with CQR

on a small boat with small anchors things could be different 

anchors  are all about their ability to penetrate and fluke size 

a small anchor just doesn’t have the weight to penetrate 

View attachment 493198

Who needs a bow fender with that thing there!!

trying to figure out how that’s stowed.. Roller in separate compartment of anchor locker?

 

[Cruisin Loser]

There is a big difference between a genuine Bruce and the knockoffs. I tossed a 66# knockoff off my boat last year because it just didn't dig in well, and it had been to a lot of places. It was a gift from Henry at Cape Breton Boat yard.

The Bruce has much sharper flukes than most of the knockoffs. Mr. Bruce builds anchoring systems for offshore rigs and and platforms and knows his business when it comes to anchors. My understanding is that he just built yacht anchors as a sideline after he built some anchors for himself and friends. The recreational business was insubstantial to him and he discontinued it when it became a PITA.

http://www.bruceanchor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Oct2019.jpg

 

[Salazar]

15,000 Kg. (33,000 lbs.)

12,000 Kg. (26,500 lbs.)

 

[Max Rockatansky]

. Mr. Bruce builds anchoring systems for offshore rigs and and platforms

That’s the thing, innit?

people don’t seem to realise that oil rigs do not lay to a single anchor in the way a yacht does.

Bruce would hold fine if you set  four or eight of them on opposing corners, as is done on an oil rig…

 

[thinwater]

Many variations.  The anchor need only be good in one direction.

Navy Navmoor.

 

[Elegua]

I noticed watching Dune that the Atreides are still using stockless anchors in the year 22 thousand or whatever. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Also, (in the David Lynch version), Duke Leto's runabout has crown moulding.  

 

[thinwater]

Here's a WWII-era Danforth rode tension test result for you to argue over. It was scanned from an old catalog I have. Not the use of steel cable and hemp, but not Nylon. Done for the US Navy.

Danforth Rode Tension Test

 

[loneshark64]

FWIW, sample size of 1... I just want to thank Steve for his work. Based on his charts and videos I bought a 45 lb Mantus M1 and used it 3 nights over the weekend. Best thing I have bought for the boat, period. I have never been comfortable anchoring on my own boat, now I am. Anchor bites right in. It wasn’t gale force but gusted consistently over 25 and swung through about 250 degrees one night and didn’t budge. Night and day compared to my old ones. I hadn’t yet replaced the rope and chain rode that came with the boat, so I was worried; I almost did a last minute run to the store to get that done, but didn’t. Now I am actually going to hold off on it and see how I do. I like having rope for a number of reasons and I have a notion that with a large-ish modern anchor perhaps the benefits of all chain might be moot. Except for chafe. Yes I know the received wisdom is chain blah blah blah but I am going to try this for a while. Anyway, Steve, and others on this thread, the work is a public service, so thanks.

 

[longy]

But you're stuck with a Bruce - nothing else would fit as well (or at all)

 

[Autonomous]

FWIW, sample size of 1... I just want to thank Steve for his work. Based on his charts and videos I bought a 45 lb Mantus M1 and used it 3 nights over the weekend. Best thing I have bought for the boat, period. I have never been comfortable anchoring on my own boat, now I am. Anchor bites right in. It wasn’t gale force but gusted consistently over 25 and swung through about 250 degrees one night and didn’t budge. Night and day compared to my old ones. I hadn’t yet replaced the rope and chain rode that came with the boat, so I was worried; I almost did a last minute run to the store to get that done, but didn’t. Now I am actually going to hold off on it and see how I do. I like having rope for a number of reasons and I have a notion that with a large-ish modern anchor perhaps the benefits of all chain might be moot. Except for chafe. Yes I know the received wisdom is chain blah blah blah but I am going to try this for a while. Anyway, Steve, and others on this thread, the work is a public service, so thanks.

Some of us have made donations to Steve to help offset his considerable investment.
I think you can do it through YouTube.
I bought a Mantus based on his research.

 

[loneshark64]

Some of us have made donations to Steve to help offset his considerable investment.
I think you can do it through YouTube.
I bought a Mantus based on his research.

I will do that thank you!

 

[lom]

I was anchored and watched a sailboat pull up and drop a Bruce, but not just any, they had angle grinded it to sharpen the flukes. They claimed it was the best anchor in the whole world! Now sharpened, it would bite right away and dig itself down to be 30cms below the bottom. They've also always had a Bruce...

I have a Delta, I'm obligated to disagree with their best anchor statement.

 

[Russell Brown]

FWIW, sample size of 1... I just want to thank Steve for his work. Based on his charts and videos I bought a 45 lb Mantus M1 and used it 3 nights over the weekend. Best thing I have bought for the boat, period. I have never been comfortable anchoring on my own boat, now I am. Anchor bites right in. It wasn’t gale force but gusted consistently over 25 and swung through about 250 degrees one night and didn’t budge. Night and day compared to my old ones. I hadn’t yet replaced the rope and chain rode that came with the boat, so I was worried; I almost did a last minute run to the store to get that done, but didn’t. Now I am actually going to hold off on it and see how I do. I like having rope for a number of reasons and I have a notion that with a large-ish modern anchor perhaps the benefits of all chain might be moot. Except for chafe. Yes I know the received wisdom is chain blah blah blah but I am going to try this for a while. Anyway, Steve, and others on this thread, the work is a public service, so thanks.

I have also really benefited from Steve's testing and advice. because of the weigh, I've never carried over 15' of chain per anchor. I trust rope. Got to ride out almost 60 knots of wind this spring on a 13 lb Mantus on my low-windage 32' catamaran. It wasn't real fun, but didn't budge.

 

[eric1207]

Russ was that at Dungeness Spit? Wife and I are R2AK junkies and combined a camping trip around the Peninsula with watching the start in PT and then driving up the strait to view points to see what we could see. We saw you at Dungeness Spit. It looked vicious out there for you and a several others. I'm amazed that such a small anchor held in that wind, though it looked protected from the waves on the strait. I miss Steve's contributions, I passed him once as he was headed out of Scow Bay in his new test boat.

 

[Jim in Halifax]

I still wander over to the SV Panope YouTube site. Not as convenient as linking to the latest video and discussing it in this thread, but I get why he bailed. Its the downside of anarchy and putting up with asshole trolls.