Andrews 28 Hulls 2 and 4?

[cberg]

The Andrews 28 is a boat I've always admired but the club is a bit too small not enough boats built to find a good used one. Any thoughts on similar boats that might be available for those not in your exclusive club (fast, roomy, trailerable...)? Thanks

 

[K9u20]

In my mind,  the closest thing to the Andrews 28  but cheaper is the Columbia 30. Same concept and look. I really like the Andrews 28 !  Ahead of its time.  

 

[ryley]

In my mind,  the closest thing to the Andrews 28  but cheaper is the Columbia 30. Same concept and look. I really like the Andrews 28 !  Ahead of its time.  

columbia 30/32 doesn't have the fit and finish of the Andrews, but you're right - I looked at the Andrews 28 when I was looking but ultimately decided I was getting more bang for the buck with the 30-2 (sorry gcutter  )

 

[E-fish-n-sea]

This is a timely topic, as hull #2 is indeed currently sitting happily on its trailer in my backyard, with the mast stripped of rigging and ready for paint.  It's a real thrill to join this exclusive group of owners , and hoping to have the boat in the water shortly for some local buoy racing and trailer-sailing/cruising.

The most recent owner had made a number of significant upgrades to the boat out of Betts Boatyard up in Anacortes, and I feel very fortunate to benefit from those changes.  Greg with Hull #3 has already been very supportive, and sharing ideas and updates across the few owners can only benefit us all (and I believe all production boats have the same Forte cf mast and boom).  I'll PM you with my contact details, Naptime.

It would be great if Ivan had the opportunity to produce more of these (the boat design deserves, it, IMO) but last I heard from him he didn't seem very enthusiastic.  It's a tough business for sure.

If anyone in the San Diego area would be interested in checking out the boat or getting some time sailing, I'd be happy to oblige once recommissioned and back on the water.

- David

David,

What did PHRF SD give you for a rating? I’m trying to get a 24’-28’ boat start in South Bay for the SD NOODs.

US Patriot Sailing will have a Left Coast Dart (117) and B-25 (133). 

Looking to add a few Melges 24s, J-80s, FT 7.5s, etc.. so we can have our own start on the SBay course. The OA is requiring 8 boats for a start.

Let me know if the boat will be ready in time and if your interested.

 

[gcutter]

Sorry I missed many of these posts but being at sea and gone for 3 months with no internet kinda put a crimp on SA posts.

I have a 93 in Ches Bay, so #2's rating will be somewhere near that and therefore the fastest boat of the boats you mentioned. The Melges 24 is tough to beat unless it's really light. Oh wait, SD Bay, yeah no problem for an A28! 

Cberg: I agree with K9 and Ryley, the Columbia is probably the closest to the Andrews concept, although 30% more race-oriented and therefore faster. There are more of them too. Interestingly, back in 2012-13 when we were looking for a bigger boat, stepping up from an Elliott 770 just like Ryley, we looked at what is now Ryley's RockIt 2.0 but it was just a bit to "spartan" for my sailing wife.

Cheers, Greg

 

[NaptimeAgain]

#3 rates 90.

 

[Great Red Shark]

Those are some challenging numbers.   Phrf hates ULDBs.    Oh,  and it's not ALWAYS light in SD,    just usually.

I went and test sailed the first gen 'Lumbo 30  (as our Editor called the Columbia effort)  back in  2005 and was impressed with the build,  but quickly  decided it wasn't a good fit for Hawaii conditions when they were scrambling to dump the traveler in a 10 knot puff.   ( it blows 20 kts for weeks at a time here,  and then sometimes it gets windy )

 

[ryley]

Those are some challenging numbers.   Phrf hates ULDBs.    Oh,  and it's not ALWAYS light in SD,    just usually.

I went and test sailed the first gen 'Lumbo 30  (as our Editor called the Columbia effort)  back in  2005 and was impressed with the build,  but quickly  decided it wasn't a good fit for Hawaii conditions when they were scrambling to dump the traveler in a 10 knot puff.   ( it blows 20 kts for weeks at a time here,  and then sometimes it gets windy )

yeah it can be a bit of a handful when it gets up in breeze, but if the breeze is steady it's really not that hard to figure out. Our biggest problems are boston harbor where it's very gusty, trying to stay on top of the trim can be difficult, but when we can get out in the steady stuff it's really not that bad. And 18+ downwind is always fun.

 

[gcutter]

The A28 sails to her rating in light (<8kts) and heavier (>16kts) conditions, it's in-between where she gets killed (up to hull speed, but not planing) by longer waterline boats.

 

[Somebody Else]

The A28 sails to her rating in light (<8kts) and heavier (>16kts) conditions, it's in-between where she gets killed (up to hull speed, but not planing) by longer waterline boats.

And that is the J/boat formula. Make the boats sail best between 6-14 knots wind speed. i.e. the wind everyone sails in 90% of the time in 90% of the locations.

 

[ReachorDie]

yeah it can be a bit of a handful when it gets up in breeze, but if the breeze is steady it's really not that hard to figure out. Our biggest problems are boston harbor where it's very gusty, trying to stay on top of the trim can be difficult, but when we can get out in the steady stuff it's really not that bad. And 18+ downwind is always fun.

There's an A28 in Boston? I would love to see how she sails.

 

[NaptimeAgain]

We did well in very light air, short handed. Didn't have the crew to stay flat above 14. Skipper's (my) lack of talent was also a limitation. No A28 in Boston. Hull #4 used to be in the Long Island area before her current spot in Virginia. Hull #2 was in British Columbia before starting her trek to SoCal. Hull #3 has always been mine. Ivan has always had #1 in Penticton BC.

 

[ryley]

There's an A28 in Boston? I would love to see how she sails.

sorry, I was talking about the Columbia 30-2. The only time I've seen an A28 in New England is when gcutter brought his up for BIRW a few years ago. You're welcome to check out the Columbia though

 

[J88 Alchemy]

Hi All,

I recently contacted Ivan and he says he has no interest in building anymore Andrews 28's but said he has the molds and would consider another boat builder.  I reached out to Tartan asking if they are interested but they never replied.  Seems like they would be a good choice.  Beneteau would have been a good choice but they bought Seascape so now they have a boat in that range.

To get the boat built again, a new builder would have to step up.  

 

[NaptimeAgain]

Alan explored other builder options a while ago, and had no takers IIRC. 

 

[il1395]

Try Blazer Boatworks in Port Clinton, Ohio. 

 

[Crash]

The A28 was a neat boat, but...These ideas (resurrect a boat from the past) almost never work....

 

[NaptimeAgain]

The A28 was a neat boat, but...These ideas (resurrect a boat from the past) almost never work....

Agree. IMHO there are too many boat designs out there, mostly built in small numbers that make OD racing impractical for many of us, and hard to get to critical mass for owner support. I figure I own #3 in a small run of custom boats. While the A28 hulls etc are the same, there are small differences in how they are rigged.

 

[silversailor]

If any of the A28 owners want to discuss selling please contact me.  I'm ready to downsize from my Hanse 370e.

 

[silversailor]

If any of the A28 owners want to discuss selling please contact me.  I'm ready to downsize from my Hanse 370e.

SUCCESS! I'm now the proud owner of hull #3. It's in a yard in Annapolis being decommissioned for shipping and should arrive in South Haven early next week. I have some cosmetic work to do over the winter bottom paint, polish, paint mast) plus new chartplotter. Really looking forward to launching in the spring.