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Annapolis Newport Race
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DtM
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Call the Wild Oats crew !!!! They know the drill. Were there any helicopters around ???
SailRacer
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Awards were yesterday and I do not see any result from the protest. Will we ever know the outcome? It was REALLY foggy for a good portion of the race.
Sail safe!
The boat protesting decided to drop it. Would have been interesting if it had gone forward as it was definitely not working...
Thistle1678
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crashtestdummy
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I logged one of the protests when finishing but didn’t file as I missed the time window from sailing home but offered to witness the other. There were two boats not transmitting and one blatantly turned it on/off when near commercial traffic on multiple occasions. I screen shotted my ais tracks that clearly show this. Both boats were called out by other competitors on VHF before leaving the Chesapeake. Personally, I think safety infractions should be brought to the OA and they should file protest/inquire and not leave the onus on a competitor. One of these non compliant boats beat us due to a tactical move at the end of race that we didn’t see.
I won’t bitch about it anymore but believe OA’s need to address in their SI’s and clearly state what the penalties will be for safety infractions.
...and the second protest was dropped after discussion about it most likely being dismissed by jury.
I won’t bitch about it anymore but believe OA’s need to address in their SI’s and clearly state what the penalties will be for safety infractions.
...and the second protest was dropped after discussion about it most likely being dismissed by jury.
Thistle1678
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I think I logged 11 out of 18 in our class transmitting at one time or another…. Not saying the others all didn’t but rather mostly people behaved. The offending boat was one that never popped up on our AIS either, even in spitting distance I can understand the frustration if they popped up in front of us.
T sailor
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We Debated protesting but determined that we did not have enough evidence to support the protest. Even if this was simply an equipment failure issue, there should still be a penalty (similar to if you were inspected post race and found to have an SER shortfall). Agree something needs to be done. There most certainly is a tactical advantage to being stealth and there needs to be some penalties defined and a process in place to curb this bullshit. Another boat had an AIS equipment failure and was broadcasting a security with their position every 10-15 minutes.
MacGregor_Lover
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Zuul is a solid program and good people. I have been racing against them for years. I find it extremely hard to believe they would have done this intentionally.
I was not in their class for this race and thus have no dog in the fight, but have been in many previous races. My assumption would be an equipment failure, and it is not always possible to know that you are not transmitting. Did anyone reach out to Zuul on the VHF and notify them or ask them if they were having issues? Not starting shit asking seriously.
I was not in their class for this race and thus have no dog in the fight, but have been in many previous races. My assumption would be an equipment failure, and it is not always possible to know that you are not transmitting. Did anyone reach out to Zuul on the VHF and notify them or ask them if they were having issues? Not starting shit asking seriously.
We recorded Zuul on our AIS receiver from the start until they pulled well ahead of us after Cove Point, and I have the data log / track to back this up.
For those observing weak AIS signals, its most likely low quality cables & connectors that’s the problem.
We just replaced our cable with LMR400 and can now routinely pick up signals 50nm+ But even so there were a couple boats during this race that only showed up on AIS within 1nm.
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Thistle1678
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Ugh I forget who was forcing us up, it was stupid. Ordinarily fair is fair, but there was an acre of space in front of us. Trying to force a 20 minute penalty on a competitor… they may want to rethink that rule. Good idea, but… I didn’t see anyone actually penalized, was anyone?
crashtestdummy
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We discussed doing it intentionally to have clear air. I am not a fan of that penalty. It cost you more than 20 minutes if you weren’t in the first row so not a terrible strategy to start with 4 minutes to go and just race
crashtestdummy
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They were notified on the radio, acknowledged it and said they would do a system restart. We were picking up boats 30-50 miles and didn’t pick them up from 100 yards away!
Thistle1678
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From the yellow brick I knew they were close to Kenai and we saw them most of the way on AIS. We were within sight at the end and nadda on AIS. I woulda been creeped out at night in the fog knowing they’re close and running dark. Rules hell, safety!
I didn’t push you up, you shot the line too early.
It was light air,we held on same tack for 7 minutes, two boat lengths down, and carved up at 60 sec. There was 1-2 boat lengths between us, and USA 40122 “Dancing Bear was above you. There was room to come down or luff sails to kill speed, and everyone did as would be expected.
That said, thought you guys sailed a great race.
Here’s a screen shot with about 10-15 sec before the horn.
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