another evergreen containership runs aground, this time in Chesapeake bay near Baltimore

Bump-n-Grind

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last i heard was start dredging again like a mutha fucka along the starboard side and literally attempt to dig it out partially. Those first two attempted tug outs were a fools errand. 

they're gonna have to get enough of the bottom away from her to relieve some of the suction from that mud/clay mess she's stuck in.

 

fastyacht

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last i heard was start dredging again like a mutha fucka along the starboard side and literally attempt to dig it out partially. Those first two attempted tug outs were a fools errand. 

they're gonna have to get enough of the bottom away from her to relieve some of the suction from that mud/clay mess she's stuck in.
It's like they didn't even do a back of the envelope calculation. Staggering really. I mean wtf?

 

hobot

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Evergreen doesn't do cargo planes to do they?

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toddster

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Evergreen doesn't do cargo planes to do they?

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Different Evergreen.  They had a fleet of 747 Cargos that were always busy but strangely unscheduled.  When Obama pulled the plug on the CIA black ops budget, they suddenly went from thriving to bankruptcy. Well, at least AFAIK there is no connection...  :unsure:   The logos are spookily similar.

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Cool museum though. Including the Spruce Goose and a 747 turned into a waterslide.  But I haven't been there since creditors started repossessing some of the exhibits.  

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Maryland has been whinging about and studying where to put another bay crossing for ages.  EF is in a perfect spot to make it part of the solution.  Build a new bridge-tunnel combo like at the mouth of the bay.  Just run Rt 100 out through that park where everyone is gawking at the ship from, tunnel under the channel, pop up to a manmade island (hi Ever Forward!), and bridge/ tunnel the rest of the way over to Rock Hall.  Get rid of the containers and fit out the spaces to make a casino, use gaming revenue and bridge tolls to pay off the bonds.  Seems like they're missing a golden opportunity.  Big election for governor coming up, any of the dozens of candidates are welcome to use this idea to campaign.

 

fastyacht

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Totally ridiculous! 
 

They need much stronger tugs, and more of them. Dredging helps, but that will not move the thing in the first place
what do they tie the tugs to?

How much load can the kevels on the deck take?

How much does that add up to? See my calc...it is a lot more than any reasonable collection of deck hardware can take.

The remarkable thing really is that buoyancy is the problem and yet the solution seems to be "dig a hole."

Yes, it is a gargantuan thing. And what calc propably was done was "hey, we can dredge a hole as big as the ship in X days" but the problem is that has to be done UNDER the ship all without capsizing it at the same time...

 
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They'll need to dredge both sides deep enough to float the ship,  then hydraulic mine the material out from under the ship to float her out of there. A matter of time, no damage to the ship nor cargo. Patience,....and money but less money than the alternatives and lawsuits

 

AnotherSailor

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what do they tie the tugs to?

How much load can the kevels on the deck take?

How much does that add up to? See my calc...it is a lot more than any reasonable collection of deck hardware can take.

The remarkable thing really is that buoyancy is the problem and yet the solution seems to be "dig a hole."

Yes, it is a gargantuan thing. And what calc propably was done was "hey, we can dredge a hole as big as the ship in X days" but the problem is that has to be done UNDER the ship all without capsizing it at the same time...
Don't tie them all to the same point. Some pull, some push.

I am not sure if they have the equipment ready to suck underneath the ship. It sounds like they just keep dredging around the ship. I have two questions about that:

1) The ship is stuck. First attempts were unsuccessful. Dredging a channel next to or behind the ship will have the ship equally stuck, so how are they going to move it??? Will the mud underneath the ship sink into the dredged area? at least some?

2 How do they keep the ship from rolling on its side when it is successfully pulled into the dredged channel?

 
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