Israel Hands
Super Anarchist
But mass and attendant stresses scale…
Edit- so that suggests that the larger boats didn’t scale their fastener/material design
Another keel goes astray...French sailor survives 16 hours in an air bubble inside his capsized boat off Spain
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Edit- so that suggests that the larger boats didn’t scale their fastener/material design
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
It may not be common but it is still too common.One without knowledge about sailing as sport would think this is more common than what it is:
It should be virtually unheard of, not the "here we go again" sort of thing it has become.
billy backstay
Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
basketcase
Fuck you second amendment
Fuck Juan K. Fucking cocksucker. Theres no way that cunt should be designing anything more complex than a soap dish.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
People still hit stuff and retained their keels.
A couple of big stories BITD were the Bailys and the Robertsons hitting whales and sinking - their old wooden hulls were stove in but the keels stayed on - all the way to the bottom.
billy backstay
Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
Other than the keel, what other issues do you have with Rambler 100? Juan has designed a bunch of race winners...
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basketcase
Fuck you second amendment
He also designed Clifford the big red dog that turned into a fucking yard sale on San Francisco Bay, killing Bart. Fuck Jaun k.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
Does anybody think Kim will ever have keel fastening problems with Frankie?
Has anyone seen one of these problem boats with anything approaching Frankies' keel fastening system?
Yes, things do scale. But I think with larger structures it's easier to have smaller 'overbuilds' due to using normal off the shelf stuff. IE, it's easier to reduce/taper out laminates, use bolts that are closer to design spec etc. Same reasons any 'metal (steel or alloy) can't compete with GRP (of any type) until a certain size is reached.
nota
Anarchist
I would love to see a sail boat designed to be worked on
imagine that a boat designed to allow corroded bits be accessed
like keel bolts the Tee top flange allow a simple short bolt
set into the flange with a non expensive nut eazy to remove inspect and replace no X-rays or cranes needed
imagine that a boat designed to allow corroded bits be accessed
like keel bolts the Tee top flange allow a simple short bolt
set into the flange with a non expensive nut eazy to remove inspect and replace no X-rays or cranes needed
solosailor
Super Anarchist
Quit different from the "who they found wearing a neoprene survival suit and submerged in water up to his knees" from the rescuers who went inside. But hey, if you survive an inverted hull in the ocean I guess you can embellish a bit.... probably felt that way.
nota
Anarchist
in a large frankie size boat I wonder the difference in cost of her alloy ''grid''
vs the french boats grid of popoff f/g to make and install
and the costs of repair after a major grounding for each type
or whole tree log hit or container
vs the french boats grid of popoff f/g to make and install
and the costs of repair after a major grounding for each type
or whole tree log hit or container
ROADKILL666
Super Anarchist
This is true.
Israel Hands
Super Anarchist
I figured he was under there, thinking about how half-his-age JEANNE was going to be carrying on without him soon if he didn't survive.
FRANKIES keel support system probably an order of magnitude more than a pre fab grid. Full custom, one off construction, many individual bits to assemble properly. And the PNW is known for UFO's in abundance.
Could a production boat be built to the same standard? Of course, but price point will go up also. X Yachts, Swan have long had metal structures holding keel structures. Lower price point builders don't. Pay your money, take your chances.
Same with impact damage - pay now or pay later? What is your personal probability of hitting something? How good is your insurance coverage? Eveyone's got their own risk tolerance levels/evaluations. You can have a deep bulb keel on a miniscule strut or you can have a full keel. Your choice
Could a production boat be built to the same standard? Of course, but price point will go up also. X Yachts, Swan have long had metal structures holding keel structures. Lower price point builders don't. Pay your money, take your chances.
Same with impact damage - pay now or pay later? What is your personal probability of hitting something? How good is your insurance coverage? Eveyone's got their own risk tolerance levels/evaluations. You can have a deep bulb keel on a miniscule strut or you can have a full keel. Your choice
Evan Fullerton
New member
That’s potentially a better way to do it but if everything is “right” you don’t need it and that adds weight and makes it so you can’t drop the keel for putting the boat in a shed frequently and put the keel back in again without fairing and paint each time.
With 9ft draft, dropping the keel for land storage begins to make a lot of sense.
I’m beginning to think canting keel attachments might be lower risk. Sure you have to make sure the Ram doesn’t break or leak as the keel swinging around has caused boats to be abandoned but the GIANT pivot pin captured in the boat does seem like a lower risk connection and a lighter bulb weight with that setup can’t hurt.
But then I guess you need dagger boards which leads to foils and more expenses and more potential problems elsewhere.
No free lunch on highly optimized, highly stressed designs.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
Buy a Cal 20 or a Thunderbird.
Ex Machina
Super Anarchist
I’m assuming the square acts as a replacement for a distress signal sheet so it’S easily visible from the air
